[Public-list] Anyone looking for a project A-30?

Tue Jan 4 19:13:59 PST 2005

Depending on the boat and the investment - I would get a survey before 
buying even a new boat. I know Albergs and would buy one [and have] sight 
unseen. But there is not a lot a risk [say $20K max]. If the boat were 
+$100K and had lots of complex systems [even if new] I would want a survey.

Mike Lehman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Just Dave" <davekruetzkamp at hotmail.com>
To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Public-list] Anyone looking for a project A-30?


> A couple of years ago, I questioned the value of getting a boat survey on 
> a
> list similar to this one and was severely taken to task for even 
> considering
> it.  So, does this group usually invest in a survey before buying a boat?
> Mr. Wallace, did you have the boat surveyed?  Isn't it high risk to buy a
> boat sight unseen?  Or is there a  price at which you just take the 
> gamble?
> I'm looking for my next boat and am in an area where there are relatively
> few sailboats on the market--- its stinkpot territory,.
>
>
>
> Dave Kruetzkamp
>
> Free Martha!
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: William Wallace <tristan at one.net>
> Reply-To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Anyone looking for a project A-30?
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:59:06 -0500
>
> Hi Rachel,
>
> I would like to echo your feelings!  I, too, have made some pretty good
> trips (4-8 hours) to look at boats described as yours was, and then found
> out that the "cosmetics" included, a stripped out interior with 
> delaminated
> plywood and peeling paint and wasps nests, the shoal keel needed rebedding
> or repair, since the boat had been dropped off of her trailer, and the
> transom and other wood cored areas showed evidence of rot and
> deconstruction.
>
> Our current keelboat, WATERMARK, is a 1962 Philip Rhodes designed boat
> similar in size to the Pearson Ariel, or a smaller version of the Pearson
> Vanguard. Rhodes and Alberg shared some similar design preferences...
>
> I perused yachtworld.com two years ago and turned up my little Seafarer
> Rhodes Meridian.  The web photos showed a boat that looked solid, but as 
> the
> broker mentioned, needed some real cosmetic help, since the mahogany
> coamings and cockpit seats (also locker covers) needed major refinishing.
> The ad mentioned the boat had a Volvo inboard and many bronze accessories.
> I emailed the broker, who assured me the Volvo ran well (he said he 
> started
> it weekly) and the mast needed some wood repair at the mast head, the
> mainsail cover disappeared and the boat needed lots of TLC.  I made an 
> offer
> over the net, wired down my money after the offer was accepted and then 
> flew
> to Tampa for a drive down the boat, docked on the Gulf.  When I arrived
> about 4:00 PM, the elderly broker was locking up his office.  I told him 
> who
> I was and he asked anxiously if I had seen my new boat yet> "No," I
> answered, "I was hoping you would take me to see her."  He looked
> apprehensive but mentioned some people tell him he has a magic camera, 
> cause
> it takes pictures of boats that sometimes look better than the actual 
> boats.
>
> When I saw WATERMARK, she looked solid.  The photos showed what I took to 
> be
> a much nicer interior cushion covering. The photos didn't show the peeling
> paint and mildew on the main cabin ceiling that were the result of leaking
> chainplates and side decks.  He was evasive about the engine, explaining
> that the former owner had come around a few times to start it.  I never 
> did
> get it to run.  After I saw the mast at home, I realized it needed a
> complete rebuild or replacement.  The paint and varnish hadn't held up 
> well
> under the eighteen months since the photos were shot - the Florida sun is
> pretty unforgiving with lots of UV.
>
> After I got over my initial surprise, I was glad of my new boat!  She 
> needs
> lots of work but had no wasp or bees nests, and I believe she can come 
> back
> with lots of work..and I am optimistic too, about the old MD-001 Volvo, 
> too!
>   The sails were the original Larry Sobstad sails and were among the first
> ones he ever made - they were hand stitched, according to the original
> owner, who I spoke with.  Former owners from Minnesota, who restored her
> about eight years ago, have been very supportive and encouraging too...The
> sails were sent to Pennsylvania for cleaning, repair and re-resin 
> processing
> and look really nice, still.
>
> Watermark was not what I thought at first, but she is solid, and I am glad 
> I
> bought her.
>
> Let the Buyer Beware: )
>
> Scott Wallace, Alberg and Rhodes fan WATERMARK, 1962 Seafarer Rhodes
> Meridian
>
>
> On Monday, January 3, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Rachel wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I've been lurking on the board as I boat shop.  I really don't have the
> >budget for an A-30, so I'll probably end up with a Pearson Triton or
> >something along those lines, but it's interesting to read the group posts
> >anyway.
> >
> >So imagine my delight when I saw an affordable A-30 listed for sale on 
> >the
> >Plastic Classic board.  It listed as being in good shape except for the
> >exterior wood needing a little attention, and had a Yanmar diesel,
> >Sta-loks, roller furling, nearly new sails, sound decks, etc. --- $5000
> >obo.
> >
> >After talking to the owner on the phone, I decided to go for a look-see.
> >It was only a few hours out of my way from Fort Myers, Fla, where I'd 
> >spent
> >the holidays with some friends, to my brother's place in Atlanta (the 
> >boat
> >is in SE Georgia).
> >
> >Let me report that it is definitely a project boat.  That's what I would
> >expect for $5000, although I will say it was not in nearly as good a 
> >shape
> >as I was led to believe in my conversation with the owner, which did 
> >annoy
> >me somewhat.  I don't understand what leads people to describe a boat one
> >way, when they will find out the truth anyway as soon as the come to see
> >it.  OTOH, it would have been underpriced if it had actually been in the
> >condition that I understood it to be in before I looked.
> >
> >I just thought I'd post this because the boat definitely needs a new 
> >owner
> >to save it from a trip to the big ocean in the sky.    I'd be happy to
> >relate what I saw if anyone is interested, but maybe a fair distance 
> >away.
> >
> >I'm trying to remember the boat's name for those who'd like to know 
> >(maybe
> >it's someone's long lost family boat!).  I think it was "Mataj."  The 
> >hull
> >number was #187 (or something really close to that - I don't have the
> >number here right now).  They brought it up from Florida, and the port 
> >name
> >on the stern is "Plantation."
> >
> >I hope this boat finds a good home.  Meanwhile I will keep looking for a
> >boat that is somewhere between "total project" and "needs a little elbow
> >grease."  :-)
> >
> >--- Rachel
> >
> >Current fleet:  Fatty Knees 7' and a few old river kayaks.
> >
> >
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