[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 2395, Issue 1
Dana.Shafie@verizon.net
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Sun Jul 15 17:50:16 PDT 2012
Please add me, Dana.shafie at verizon.net "Sabrina" hull #158 for both the rudder shoe and gudgeon sets. This kind of thing would be tough to find if I ever need to replace mine! Thank You!
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> 1. Updated Rudder Shoe/Gudgeon List (Peter McEvoy)
> 2. Re: Updated Rudder Shoe/Gudgeon List (brooks.glenn at comcast.net)
> 3. Request for a excellent original rudder pintle and two part
> gudgeon set to use as a pattern (crufone at comcast.net)
> 4. Re: Updated Rudder Shoe/Gudgeon List (Joseph Balderson)
> 5. Re: Updated Rudder Shoe/Gudgeon List (Jeffrey)
> 6. 1/2" smoke tinted Lexan or Acrylic (James Almond)
> 7. Re: 1/2" smoke tinted Lexan or Acrylic (brooks.glenn at comcast.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:59:43 -0700
> From: Peter McEvoy <peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Subject: [Public-List] Updated Rudder Shoe/Gudgeon List
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> Hi Everybody,
>
> Wow, quite a bit of interest in this. I expect more people to chime in yet,
> but here is an updated list anyway. I'll try to get a quote next week. I
> like the idea of casting the shoes without holes drilled. It would also
> make sense to have the shoe aperture (for the rudder pin) at the original
> 1/2", and people can drill it out if they prefer a 5/8" pin or whatever.
>
> Another consideration for having a mold made is the shrinkage of the bronze
> after casting- 3/16" per lineal foot, or around 2%. That means the mold
> should be 2% BIGGER than your final piece. I doubt this will make a
> difference for our rudder shoe, but somebody please say something if you
> think otherwise.
>
> Ceramic shell would be the easiest to do (at least for my situation) and
> will give a cleaner final product than sand casting. I'd give a rough
> estimate that the shoe castings will come out to roughly 5 pounds of bronze
> each (Assuming about 1/4" thickness and an area of 50in^2 plus the solid
> "head" of the shoe, with the bronze weight being .3 lb/in^3). Bronze is
> currently running around $5.00/lb, so that would be around $25 per shoe for
> just the metal. As for the gudgeons, one pair would likely be in the same
> range as one shoe. Foundries probably charge somewhere around $15 per pound
> depending on the work involved, but I would try to do this on my own to
> save money.
>
> Still waiting to hear if anybody has gudgeon dimensions or originals- can't
> do much without that!
>
> The List:
>
> Rudder Shoe:
> Bill Ydel - wcydel at gmail.com
> Mike Lehman - sail_505 at hotmail.comJeff Fongemie - fongemie at gmail.com
> Brian Curry - brian_curry at hotmail.com
> David Mitchell - david at mitchellent.com
> Peter McEvoy - peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com
> Jim Allocco - jamesallocco at gmail.com
> James Almond - okeebc at gmail.com
> Clayton Zimmerman - cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
> Jon Budington - jon at globalprinting.com
> Jason ssteen - mpcylinderheads at gmail.com
> Don Lang - potatosailor at yahoo.com
> Gordon White - gewhite at crosslink.net
> Chuck Thomas - thomascwcj at bellsouth.net
> Mark Dietrich - mrkdtrch at yahoo.com
>
> Gudgeon Sets:
> Glenn Brooks - brooks.glenn at comcast.net
> David Mitchell - david at mitchellent.com
> Michael Connolly #133 - crufone at comcast.net
> Peter McEvoy - peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com
> James Almond - okeebc at gmail.com
> Clayton Zimmerman - cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
> Jason ssteen - mpcylinderheads at gmail.com (Interested in the two part
> gudgeon and pintle version)
> Don Lang - potatosailor at yahoo.com
> Gordon White - gewhite at crosslink.net
> Chuck Thomas - thomascwcj at bellsouth.net
> Mark Dietrich - mrkdtrch at yahoo.com
>
>
> -Peter
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 05:02:24 +0000 (UTC)
> From: brooks.glenn at comcast.net
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Updated Rudder Shoe/Gudgeon List
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> Hey Peter,
>
>
> Please add my name also to the shoe list., Probably should have both grudon and shoe for future repair.
>
>
> Great work BTW. Hope this over tax your regular work at the foundry!
>
>
> Glenn Dolce 318
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter McEvoy" <peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 5:59:43 PM
> Subject: [Public-List] Updated Rudder Shoe/Gudgeon List
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> Wow, quite a bit of interest in this. I expect more people to chime in yet,
> but here is an updated list anyway. I'll try to get a quote next week. I
> like the idea of casting the shoes without holes drilled. It would also
> make sense to have the shoe aperture (for the rudder pin) at the original
> 1/2", and people can drill it out if they prefer a 5/8" pin or whatever.
>
> Another consideration for having a mold made is the shrinkage of the bronze
> after casting- 3/16" per lineal foot, or around 2%. That means the mold
> should be 2% BIGGER than your final piece. I doubt this will make a
> difference for our rudder shoe, but somebody please say something if you
> think otherwise.
>
> Ceramic shell would be the easiest to do (at least for my situation) and
> will give a cleaner final product than sand casting. I'd give a rough
> estimate that the shoe castings will come out to roughly 5 pounds of bronze
> each (Assuming about 1/4" thickness and an area of 50in^2 plus the solid
> "head" of the shoe, with the bronze weight being .3 lb/in^3). Bronze is
> currently running around $5.00/lb, so that would be around $25 per shoe for
> just the metal. As for the gudgeons, one pair would likely be in the same
> range as one shoe. Foundries probably charge somewhere around $15 per pound
> depending on the work involved, but I would try to do this on my own to
> save money.
>
> Still waiting to hear if anybody has gudgeon dimensions or originals- can't
> do much without that!
>
> The List:
>
> Rudder Shoe:
> Bill Ydel - wcydel at gmail.com
> Mike Lehman - sail_505 at hotmail.comJeff Fongemie - fongemie at gmail.com
> Brian Curry - brian_curry at hotmail.com
> David Mitchell - david at mitchellent.com
> Peter McEvoy - peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com
> Jim Allocco - jamesallocco at gmail.com
> James Almond - okeebc at gmail.com
> Clayton Zimmerman - cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
> Jon Budington - jon at globalprinting.com
> Jason ssteen - mpcylinderheads at gmail.com
> Don Lang - potatosailor at yahoo.com
> Gordon White - gewhite at crosslink.net
> Chuck Thomas - thomascwcj at bellsouth.net
> Mark Dietrich - mrkdtrch at yahoo.com
>
> Gudgeon Sets:
> Glenn Brooks - brooks.glenn at comcast.net
> David Mitchell - david at mitchellent.com
> Michael Connolly #133 - crufone at comcast.net
> Peter McEvoy - peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com
> James Almond - okeebc at gmail.com
> Clayton Zimmerman - cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
> Jason ssteen - mpcylinderheads at gmail.com (Interested in the two part
> gudgeon and pintle version)
> Don Lang - potatosailor at yahoo.com
> Gordon White - gewhite at crosslink.net
> Chuck Thomas - thomascwcj at bellsouth.net
> Mark Dietrich - mrkdtrch at yahoo.com
>
>
> -Peter
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:11:47 +0000 (UTC)
> From: crufone at comcast.net
> To: "Alberg, Public List" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Subject: [Public-List] Request for a excellent original rudder pintle
> and two part gudgeon set to use as a pattern
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>
> Peter and others,
>
> This list has several members interested in having the rudder shoe and the pintle/gudgeon set recast for service replacements?on their Alberg 30's. Two members have located an original rudder shoe which could be modified to use as a pattern for this work. We have yet to locate a pintle/two part gudgeon set to modify for a pattern. They need to be modified to compensate for casting shrinkage. Could just have a surface coating applied to increase size. This coating would then be removed to return the part to it's original size.
>
> ?
>
> If we can't find an excellent condition original to use we will need to hand fabricate a pattern.Traditionally patterns where made from popular wood because of it's dimensional stability. Pieces of this wood could be Epoxied together and Marine Tex use to fillet and fair the surfaces. It is not difficult to make a pattern just time consuming. Thus the search for the original bronze set.
>
> ?
>
> Please search your garages and junk boxes to see if you might have the parts we need. E-mail this list with your finds. Thank you from the 25 or so owners who wish to participate in the recasting project.
>
> ?
>
> Again perhaps the CBAA in conjunction with the GLAA might like to support this project as a 50th Anniversary event.? I would guess that after some 50 years most of our boats are in need of these service parts.? This is such a great group of owners and it is invigorating to see the cooperation among us to keep our boats in safe, seaworthy condition.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael #133
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:05:08 -0400
> From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
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> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Updated Rudder Shoe/Gudgeon List
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> Peter please add me to the list for both shoe and pintal.
> joebinc at gmail.com
> Thanks for the work.
> Joe B
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Peter McEvoy <peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> Wow, quite a bit of interest in this. I expect more people to chime in yet,
>> but here is an updated list anyway. I'll try to get a quote next week. I
>> like the idea of casting the shoes without holes drilled. It would also
>> make sense to have the shoe aperture (for the rudder pin) at the original
>> 1/2", and people can drill it out if they prefer a 5/8" pin or whatever.
>>
>> Another consideration for having a mold made is the shrinkage of the bronze
>> after casting- 3/16" per lineal foot, or around 2%. That means the mold
>> should be 2% BIGGER than your final piece. I doubt this will make a
>> difference for our rudder shoe, but somebody please say something if you
>> think otherwise.
>>
>> Ceramic shell would be the easiest to do (at least for my situation) and
>> will give a cleaner final product than sand casting. I'd give a rough
>> estimate that the shoe castings will come out to roughly 5 pounds of bronze
>> each (Assuming about 1/4" thickness and an area of 50in^2 plus the solid
>> "head" of the shoe, with the bronze weight being .3 lb/in^3). Bronze is
>> currently running around $5.00/lb, so that would be around $25 per shoe for
>> just the metal. As for the gudgeons, one pair would likely be in the same
>> range as one shoe. Foundries probably charge somewhere around $15 per pound
>> depending on the work involved, but I would try to do this on my own to
>> save money.
>>
>> Still waiting to hear if anybody has gudgeon dimensions or originals- can't
>> do much without that!
>>
>> The List:
>>
>> Rudder Shoe:
>> Bill Ydel - wcydel at gmail.com
>> Mike Lehman - sail_505 at hotmail.comJeff Fongemie - fongemie at gmail.com
>> Brian Curry - brian_curry at hotmail.com
>> David Mitchell - david at mitchellent.com
>> Peter McEvoy - peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com
>> Jim Allocco - jamesallocco at gmail.com
>> James Almond - okeebc at gmail.com
>> Clayton Zimmerman - cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
>> Jon Budington - jon at globalprinting.com
>> Jason ssteen - mpcylinderheads at gmail.com
>> Don Lang - potatosailor at yahoo.com
>> Gordon White - gewhite at crosslink.net
>> Chuck Thomas - thomascwcj at bellsouth.net
>> Mark Dietrich - mrkdtrch at yahoo.com
>>
>> Gudgeon Sets:
>> Glenn Brooks - brooks.glenn at comcast.net
>> David Mitchell - david at mitchellent.com
>> Michael Connolly #133 - crufone at comcast.net
>> Peter McEvoy - peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com
>> James Almond - okeebc at gmail.com
>> Clayton Zimmerman - cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
>> Jason ssteen - mpcylinderheads at gmail.com (Interested in the two part
>> gudgeon and pintle version)
>> Don Lang - potatosailor at yahoo.com
>> Gordon White - gewhite at crosslink.net
>> Chuck Thomas - thomascwcj at bellsouth.net
>> Mark Dietrich - mrkdtrch at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> -Peter
>> _______________________________________________
>> These businesses support your Association:
>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>> Please support them.
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>>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:36:11 -0400
> From: Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com>
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> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Updated Rudder Shoe/Gudgeon List
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> Hi Peter,
>
> Please add me to the list for the Gudgeon Sets.
>
> Jeff Fongemie (fongemie at gmail.com)
>
> Thanks for all your work with this. Looks like many people are in need
> of these parts.
>
> jeff
>
> Jeff Fongemie
> #116 Seagrass
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/fongemie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Peter McEvoy <peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> Wow, quite a bit of interest in this. I expect more people to chime in yet,
>> but here is an updated list anyway. I'll try to get a quote next week. I
>> like the idea of casting the shoes without holes drilled. It would also
>> make sense to have the shoe aperture (for the rudder pin) at the original
>> 1/2", and people can drill it out if they prefer a 5/8" pin or whatever.
>>
>> Another consideration for having a mold made is the shrinkage of the bronze
>> after casting- 3/16" per lineal foot, or around 2%. That means the mold
>> should be 2% BIGGER than your final piece. I doubt this will make a
>> difference for our rudder shoe, but somebody please say something if you
>> think otherwise.
>>
>> Ceramic shell would be the easiest to do (at least for my situation) and
>> will give a cleaner final product than sand casting. I'd give a rough
>> estimate that the shoe castings will come out to roughly 5 pounds of bronze
>> each (Assuming about 1/4" thickness and an area of 50in^2 plus the solid
>> "head" of the shoe, with the bronze weight being .3 lb/in^3). Bronze is
>> currently running around $5.00/lb, so that would be around $25 per shoe for
>> just the metal. As for the gudgeons, one pair would likely be in the same
>> range as one shoe. Foundries probably charge somewhere around $15 per pound
>> depending on the work involved, but I would try to do this on my own to
>> save money.
>>
>> Still waiting to hear if anybody has gudgeon dimensions or originals- can't
>> do much without that!
>>
>> The List:
>>
>> Rudder Shoe:
>> Bill Ydel - wcydel at gmail.com
>> Mike Lehman - sail_505 at hotmail.comJeff Fongemie - fongemie at gmail.com
>> Brian Curry - brian_curry at hotmail.com
>> David Mitchell - david at mitchellent.com
>> Peter McEvoy - peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com
>> Jim Allocco - jamesallocco at gmail.com
>> James Almond - okeebc at gmail.com
>> Clayton Zimmerman - cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
>> Jon Budington - jon at globalprinting.com
>> Jason ssteen - mpcylinderheads at gmail.com
>> Don Lang - potatosailor at yahoo.com
>> Gordon White - gewhite at crosslink.net
>> Chuck Thomas - thomascwcj at bellsouth.net
>> Mark Dietrich - mrkdtrch at yahoo.com
>>
>> Gudgeon Sets:
>> Glenn Brooks - brooks.glenn at comcast.net
>> David Mitchell - david at mitchellent.com
>> Michael Connolly #133 - crufone at comcast.net
>> Peter McEvoy - peter.t.mcevoy at gmail.com
>> James Almond - okeebc at gmail.com
>> Clayton Zimmerman - cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
>> Jason ssteen - mpcylinderheads at gmail.com (Interested in the two part
>> gudgeon and pintle version)
>> Don Lang - potatosailor at yahoo.com
>> Gordon White - gewhite at crosslink.net
>> Chuck Thomas - thomascwcj at bellsouth.net
>> Mark Dietrich - mrkdtrch at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> -Peter
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Jeffrey Fongemie
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:02:58 -0400
> From: James Almond <okeebc at gmail.com>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Subject: [Public-List] 1/2" smoke tinted Lexan or Acrylic
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> I am striking out trying to find 1/2" smoke tinted lexan or acrylic for my
> forward hatch. I did find one place that has it but I do not need a 4'x8'
> sheet!
>
> Can someone point me to a supplier, or better yet, does anyone have a piece
> laying around in their garage that they will sell?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> Jim - Alberg 30 #329
> http://svcookie.blogspot.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:16:55 +0000 (UTC)
> From: brooks.glenn at comcast.net
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> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] 1/2" smoke tinted Lexan or Acrylic
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> Jim, I replaced my forward hatc h with lexan from Tap plastics in Bellevue, Washington. They cut the piece to fit my old piece. I think they could ship to you if needed. here is the number for their Bellevue store, although they have a number of stores on the west coast. web site: tapplastics.com Phone: 425.861.0940
>
>
> Glenn
> Dolce 318
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Almond" <okeebc at gmail.com>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:02:58 AM
> Subject: [Public-List] 1/2" smoke tinted Lexan or Acrylic
>
> I am striking out trying to find 1/2" smoke tinted lexan or acrylic for my
> forward hatch. I did find one place that has it but I do not need a 4'x8'
> sheet!
>
> Can someone point me to a supplier, or better yet, does anyone have a piece
> laying around in their garage that they will sell?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> Jim - Alberg 30 #329
> http://svcookie.blogspot.com/
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