[Public-List] Hello from Vancouver. (Somewhat) proud new owner of Antares 1967 A30.

[LAF]

Hi Jeremy,
I own Avalon #309. I have owned her since 1999. Until getting on to this
list, just this year I didn't know the hull number! Was really low on the
project list.... but know I have found it a great help.
I am located in Comox. I built a mast beam support in ?? 2004. The support
was sagging and delaminating. I first made a mockup support with door skin,
gluing it together. Then had it made at a welding shop out of stainless
steel. It spans the width of the delaminated beam with the curve, under and
up the front, has cutouts for the two aft mast support bolt, gussets for
support and is held up through bolted to the the two uprights on either
side of the forecabin entry and bolted to two angled beams that out toward
port and starboard. Okay this is getting hard to explain so I will send
pictures. The SS support covered the hull reg # so I had them put numbers
on the SS.
I am not sure how to send pics so if you want to send your email we could
connect that way. Unless another option is presented.
Once the support was ready to be put in, I took it to the crain at the
government wharf with two helpers and within one low tide had the mast out,
jackedup the beam, installed the support and put the mast back on! The only
sight hangup was having to find an inpack driver to loosen the screws(SS
against aluminum) on the mast shoe support on the deck as I wanted to look
under it to check for rot. Found the driver, NO ROT. All went well.
A few days ago a ex Alberg owner was on my boat and had great kudos for the
support so just thought I would try and share.
Congratulation on your new boat. What is her name?
Hope to see you around here sometime.
Regards,
LAF
reefed.main at gmail.com
S.V.Avalon


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Jeremy Brown <j_l_brown at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I'm new to large boats, I sailed dinghy's as a kid, but this is a totally
> new world for me :-)
> Both good and bad so far.
> I've landed an amazing job out of it working for a great guy who has a
> shop here in Vancouver.  I'm working on boats of all sizes, and learning
> skills that directly relate to working on my boat, and contacts who are
> able to help with some areas as well.  I'm learning a lot quickly, and
> though in hindsight I never would have taken on a project like this boat,
> I'm thankful for all that I'm learning.
> I'll get the bad out of the way first, since there is a fair bit of it,
> feel free to skip over it if it's too long.
>
> *****start of bad*****
>
> I bought her based on an advertisement that sadly didn't match what she
> actually was, from the supposedly brand new engine, sails, head and wiring,
> to the aluminium plate which I was told was glassed in flat over top of the
> beam to strengthen it.  She was supposed to have a much larger 40 gallon
> water and at least 30 gallon diesel tank.
>
> What I've got is a boat with good bones, and the signs that somewhere in
> her past someone cared for her well before the more recent, and unknown
> number of butchers got their hands on her.
> It seems that the owner I purchased her from was sold the same story I
> was, and passed it along, whether with full knowledge of what he was
> actually selling by the end or not I still don't know.  He says he was
> misled, and I am inclined to believe him, he seems like a decent guy.  He
> reimbursed me part of the sale, but that money has already gone, I sorted
> out most of the electrical system with it.
> My engine is 16 years older than I was led to believe, sail appears to be
> in good order, but I believe it to be about a decade older than I was told
> now. Electrical was a total write off, speaker wire all over the place, two
> hots in one cable split and common grounds later, melted insulation and
> household twist connectors all over.
>
> My surveyor noted the engine as being new on paper, but later stated that
> it wasn't his job to tell me these things, and that he knew it was older at
> the time, but since the seller and I were happy with the age we stated it
> was, it wasn't his position to tell us we were wrong.
> He didn't mention the broken tabbing in various places, or the delaminated
> mast beam that was "repaired" with household grade Robertson screws driven
> in from the bottom to hold the lamination together.
> He also listed the water tank as 30 gallons, but it turns out to be about
> 15, as soon as I figured out on my own later how to open it, I knew it was
> nowhere near that.
>
>  I'm starting to make the needed changes to make her safe, comfortable and
> generally back to what she should be, then hopefully doing some upgrading
> and cosmetic work when I have time, I have taken a slip for a year since
> she isn't safe to anchor out in in my opinion, hoses with glued on ends
> single clamped over the threaded end of a sea-cock and a bit of electrical
> tape as sealant didn't leave me confident enough until I go through her top
> to bottom and end to end.
>
> I unfortunately can't see the numbers in my picture of the number-plate,
> but I'll get the hull number soon from that to update the list in case she
> isn't on there.
>
> I've determined that the mast she has is likely not original, it has a
> sticker for a North Vancouver shop on it near the base, there are rumors
> that she may have made some long trips, but beyond that I have little
> history.
>
> One of the butchers unfortunately had access to a sawzall or skil saw and
> remodeled the V-berth badly.
>
> *********end of bad****
>
> The electrical is resolved to the point that it's safe, though details
> such as lighting still need to be sorted. The next logical step for me I
> think is to resolve the issues with the mast beam, and interior fiberglass,
> basically redoing the tabbing, this will be done by a professional, who is
> fast and good at it, I'm paying his hourly and materials at wholesale
> rahter than a shop-rate, since he also works for the same guy I do.
>
> As for the mast beam I am not sure quite how to approach it, it appears to
> have the classic de-lamination, but with a twist, the deck dips down in the
> center inside, but no water pooling or signs of issues on deck.  When
> tapped it sounds solid, and I'm wondering if someone did something inside
> like replacing the core.
> The beam is flattened in the middle, but I'm not sure if it quite matches
> the curve of the deck inside, I have photographs but I'm not sure how to
> post them.
> Once i know what is going on with the cabintop, I'll be fixing the beam I
> hope, my father wants me to excavate it, and simply bandsaw a solid piece
> of wood to replace it, or a microlam beam bandsawn to fit.  He feels that
> the aluminium plate repair doesn't do much to help, and is not an
> appropriate solution.
>
> I am more inclined to err on the side of experience, jack up the beam,
> glue the aluminium and through bolt it but I'm not sure what to do.  If I
> do dig out the beam I'd prefer to laminate something else in its place
> rather than cutting out a solid beam or something out of micro-lam.  That
> would require figuring out how to brace the fiberglass so the beam can be
> rebuilt.
>
> If there's anyone in the Vancouver, BC area who has experience with this
> kind of repair, or the mast beam in Alberg's especially I'd really like to
> talk to them :-)  I'd actually planned to pay someone who knew what they
> were doing to actually do the fix and help them if they were ok with that,
> to hopefully learn at the same time.  Any advice at this point would be
> wonderful, as I am faced with quite a few unknowns, and I am concerned
> about getting in over my head, doing something that isn't needed, or will
> have to be taken back out and done properly later.
>
> Once the tabbing and mast support beams are done, I'm going to do a bit of
> work on the head/water systems and finally move to full time live aboard,
> then I'll work on the rest of the issues as time and money permit.
>
> The list has been a great source of information over the past couple of
> months of learning, but none of the pictures of the mast support beam
> repairs seem to quite look like the issue I'm seeing, and the experienced
> sailors I've spoken with are a bit unsure about it too, because it appears
> to be sinking, but only inside, the deck appears good and the area sounds
> good when tapped.
>
> Is it preferred to post a link to an image hosted elsewhere if one is
> needed?
>
> Thanks and hello to you all!
>
> Jeremy
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