[Public-List] Hello from Vancouver. (Somewhat) proud new owner of Antares 1967 A30.

[Jeremy Brown]

Thanks all for the good advice so far.  
The beam looks better than it is I suspect, they drove long screws through from the bottom to hold it together.

With the repair what I'm not sure about is that dip down in the fiberglass, it should be concave there, not convex, yet my deck looks fine on top.  It is a greater dip down, as you can see in the center of the picture, the arch is reversed in the center.  This convex area is deeper than the difference in the paint line in the v berth, it appears fiberglass was later applied in the area as though a repair was made.  I am concerned about what is in there, and damaging whatever may have been done.

Re solid beam: it seems the metal plate repair has stood the test of time very well in many boats.  I'm generally inclined to stick to known and tried solutions when possible.
If it comes time to sell, a known, proven upgrade or fix is best I suspect.


With a4x10x length of arch piece of purple heart I'd be more inclined to do it that way, since it has such dense tough structure, but that is a very expensive piece of wood... my dad was talking same dimensions as stock and fir or microlam which I won't do.
An in place lamination makes sense to me, or overkill size of beam.
 Was it 10 horizontal, or vertical with an arch cut in?  It sounds very appealing and strong either way.







Glennb <brooks.glenn at comcast.net> wrote:

Hello Jeremy,

I agree with your father regarding shaping a new mast support out of wood with a bandsaw,  I did that on my boat a few years ago and am very happy every time I look at at it.  the aluminim fix is undoubtedly quick to install and probably distributes the compression loading loading from the mast properly.  but it is not seamanship like, in my mind, to bolt a piece of metal over an old, failing beam and call it good. what happens when the old beam further delaminates and starts to twist around behind the aluminum plate? Which it will do eventually... I replaced my beam with a 4" x 10" length of purple hart, radiused down to fit the camber of the cabin and have no problems since. it looks great with a couple coats of varnish.   if you take the extra care to do it right the first time you will have a permanent fix, and restore value to the boat.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with day sailing as Is.  your beam looks like it's in much better shape than mine was, and I sailed the boat around Puget Sound for three years before replacing the beam.  also, I would let the improper thru hull Hose thing slow you down.  there are usually only five or six  thru hulls on the boat, including cockpit drain, so you could fairly quickly replace the hoses that are suspect and alleviate any risk.   also shut off the gate valves when you are not on board! no water can come in, if the valves are closed... Cheap insurance!

have fun with the boat.  They are very seaworthy craft.

Cheers
Glenn Brooks
dolce 318   

  

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On Jul 25, 2012, at 12:42 PM, "Noonan, Jim (WB)" <Jim.Noonan at warnerbros.com> wrote:

> Jeremy, I'm not an attorney (nor do I play one on TV) but I was struck by the response of your surveyor when you asked about the engine as well as the complete lack of good faith and professionalism in the report you got.  If you signed a contract with the surveyor I would suggest having a lawyer take a quick look at it. If the surveyor didn't live up to the contractual obligation a letter from the attorney might lead to some kind of settlement that would help pay to fix the problems that should have been made clear to you. I am no fan of lawyers and law suits but if it wasn't his job to tell you that the engine wasn't as advertised and point out the other problems what exactly was his job. Sorry you had this experience but I think it is terrific that you've remained so positive. Jim    
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:37 PM
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> Subject: [Public-List] Hello from Vancouver. (Somewhat) proud new owner of Antares 1967 A30.
> 
> I'm new to large boats, I sailed dinghy's as a kid, but this is a totally new world for me :-) Both good and bad so far.
> I've landed an amazing job out of it working for a great guy who has a shop here in Vancouver.  I'm working on boats of all sizes, and learning skills that directly relate to working on my boat, and contacts who are able to help with some areas as well.  I'm learning a lot quickly, and though in hindsight I never would have taken on a project like this boat, I'm thankful for all that I'm learning.
> I'll get the bad out of the way first, since there is a fair bit of it, feel free to skip over it if it's too long.
> 
> *****start of bad*****
> 
> I bought her based on an advertisement that sadly didn't match what she actually was, from the supposedly brand new engine, sails, head and wiring, to the aluminium plate which I was told was glassed in flat over top of the beam to strengthen it.  She was supposed to have a much larger 40 gallon water and at least 30 gallon diesel tank.
> 
> What I've got is a boat with good bones, and the signs that somewhere in her past someone cared for her well before the more recent, and unknown number of butchers got their hands on her.
> It seems that the owner I purchased her from was sold the same story I was, and passed it along, whether with full knowledge of what he was actually selling by the end or not I still don't know.  He says he was misled, and I am inclined to believe him, he seems like a decent guy.  He reimbursed me part of the sale, but that money has already gone, I sorted out most of the electrical system with it.
> My engine is 16 years older than I was led to believe, sail appears to be in good order, but I believe it to be about a decade older than I was told now. Electrical was a total write off, speaker wire all over the place, two hots in one cable split and common grounds later, melted insulation and household twist connectors all over.
> 
> My surveyor noted the engine as being new on paper, but later stated that it wasn't his job to tell me these things, and that he knew it was older at the time, but since the seller and I were happy with the age we stated it was, it wasn't his position to tell us we were wrong.
> He didn't mention the broken tabbing in various places, or the delaminated mast beam that was "repaired" with household grade Robertson screws driven in from the bottom to hold the lamination together.
> He also listed the water tank as 30 gallons, but it turns out to be about 15, as soon as I figured out on my own later how to open it, I knew it was nowhere near that.
> 
> I'm starting to make the needed changes to make her safe, comfortable and generally back to what she should be, then hopefully doing some upgrading and cosmetic work when I have time, I have taken a slip for a year since she isn't safe to anchor out in in my opinion, hoses with glued on ends single clamped over the threaded end of a sea-cock and a bit of electrical tape as sealant didn't leave me confident enough until I go through her top to bottom and end to end.
> 
> I unfortunately can't see the numbers in my picture of the number-plate, but I'll get the hull number soon from that to update the list in case she isn't on there.
> 
> I've determined that the mast she has is likely not original, it has a sticker for a North Vancouver shop on it near the base, there are rumors that she may have made some long trips, but beyond that I have little history.
> 
> One of the butchers unfortunately had access to a sawzall or skil saw and remodeled the V-berth badly.
> 
> *********end of bad****
> 
> The electrical is resolved to the point that it's safe, though details such as lighting still need to be sorted. The next logical step for me I think is to resolve the issues with the mast beam, and interior fiberglass, basically redoing the tabbing, this will be done by a professional, who is fast and good at it, I'm paying his hourly and materials at wholesale rahter than a shop-rate, since he also works for the same guy I do.
> 
> As for the mast beam I am not sure quite how to approach it, it appears to have the classic de-lamination, but with a twist, the deck dips down in the center inside, but no water pooling or signs of issues on deck.  When tapped it sounds solid, and I'm wondering if someone did something inside like replacing the core.  
> The beam is flattened in the middle, but I'm not sure if it quite matches the curve of the deck inside, I have photographs but I'm not sure how to post them.
> Once i know what is going on with the cabintop, I'll be fixing the beam I hope, my father wants me to excavate it, and simply bandsaw a solid piece of wood to replace it, or a microlam beam bandsawn to fit.  He feels that the aluminium plate repair doesn't do much to help, and is not an appropriate solution.
> 
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