[alberg30] Digest Number 751
Richard Johns
richard.johns at valley.net
Wed Dec 13 13:06:18 PST 2000
I am looking to sign up my husband in the Alberg Association, and see if I
can get for him some Alberg 30 hats, tee- shirts, etc. Can anyone point me
in the right direction? Thank you. Jayne Johns
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From: alberg30 at egroups.com <alberg30 at egroups.com>
To: alberg30 at egroups.com <alberg30 at egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, December 09, 2000 3:28 AM
Subject: [alberg30] Digest Number 751
>
>There are 10 messages in this issue.
>
>Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. RE: Anchor weights / size
> From: "Bob Lincoln" <lincoln at cc.umanitoba.ca>
> 2. FURLING AND SALS
> From: "DAVID MCFARLANE" <ROSE_AU_RUE at YAHOO.COM>
> 3. RF Genoa
> From: "shawn orr" <shawnwilliam at msn.com>
> 4. Re: FURLING AND SALS
> From: John Birch <sunstone at idirect.com>
> 5. Re: FURLING AND SALS
> From: "Gord Laco" <gord at transatmarine.com>
> 6. Fw: FURLING AND SALS
> From: "Douglas Wight" <doug at recorder.ca>
> 7. Re: RF Genoa
> From: "Gord Laco" <gord at transatmarine.com>
> 8. Re: Pearson returns like the Phoenix
> From: finnus505 at aol.com
> 9. Kids and sailing
> From: Marianne King-Wilson <addvalue at zeuter.com>
> 10. Re: Kids and sailing
> From: "John Bailey" <baileyje at voyager.net>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:31:40 -0600
> From: "Bob Lincoln" <lincoln at cc.umanitoba.ca>
>Subject: RE: Anchor weights / size
>
>To all the Bobs (no pun intended), thanks for the
>information on Danforths. I suspect the reason my 10kg
>Bruce dragged was due partly to the lack of room for
>adequate scope, but also the clay and stone bottom. I
>reset it four times and each time the boat slowly
>dragged. As I pulled it up there would be a
>bowling-ball sized lump of clay and round stones packed
>into the area between the flukes, which I had to scrape
>off with my hands before I could reset it. Finally I
>moved the boat to a more protected area away from the
>other anchored boats with a sand bottom and had no more
>problems that night.
>Bob Lincoln
>Indigo #590
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:55:43 -0000
> From: "DAVID MCFARLANE" <ROSE_AU_RUE at YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: FURLING AND SALS
>
>HI GUYS.ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A REASONABLE AND REPUTABLE
>DEALER TO PURCHASE NEW SAILS FOR MY ALBERG 30 AS WELL AS A FURLING
>SYSTEM.I AM HOPING YOUR EXPERIENCE WILL TAKE THE GUESSWORK AWAY FROM
>ME. I SAIL ON LAKE ONTARIO
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:58:53 -0000
> From: "shawn orr" <shawnwilliam at msn.com>
>Subject: RF Genoa
>
>Does anyone have a roller furling 150% genoa they would like to
>sell. I would like to buy into the group purchase for the ProFurl.
>
>Shawn W. Orr
>IL Molino #307
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:10:52 -0500
> From: John Birch <sunstone at idirect.com>
>Subject: Re: FURLING AND SALS
>
>David;
>
>Joe Fernandese Triton Sails 905 891-8166 - Mississaugga - Schaffer 1100
>furler - buy it from him. His prices are extremely fair and the quality of
>work excellent. I bought my entire new sail inventory from him for Sunstone
>and he also built the the sails for Albergs when he was with the Taylor
>loft.
>I have a Schaffer, best looking furler of the lot, twin grooves, strong and
>works flawlessly US built (NAFTA), employee owned company.
>
>No one who has taken my advice on these products has expressed anything but
>satisfaction - I have no financial relationship with Joe or Schaffer by the
>way.
>
>Cheers,
>
>John.
>
>DAVID MCFARLANE wrote:
>
>> HI GUYS.ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A REASONABLE AND REPUTABLE
>> DEALER TO PURCHASE NEW SAILS FOR MY ALBERG 30 AS WELL AS A FURLING
>> SYSTEM.I AM HOPING YOUR EXPERIENCE WILL TAKE THE GUESSWORK AWAY FROM
>> ME. I SAIL ON LAKE ONTARIO
>>
>
>
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>
>
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>Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:13:28 -0500
> From: "Gord Laco" <gord at transatmarine.com>
>Subject: Re: FURLING AND SALS
>
>David -
>
>Back in the days of my youth when Alberg 30's were a lively one-design
>racing class, Joe Fernandes of Triton Sails was the best sailmaker for our
>boats. (Yeah, everybody had there favourites), He's still in business in
>Mississaga Ont.
>
>Gord KC426 Surprise
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DAVID MCFARLANE <ROSE_AU_RUE at YAHOO.COM>
>To: <alberg30 at egroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:55 AM
>Subject: [alberg30] FURLING AND SALS
>
>
>> HI GUYS.ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A REASONABLE AND REPUTABLE
>> DEALER TO PURCHASE NEW SAILS FOR MY ALBERG 30 AS WELL AS A FURLING
>> SYSTEM.I AM HOPING YOUR EXPERIENCE WILL TAKE THE GUESSWORK AWAY FROM
>> ME. I SAIL ON LAKE ONTARIO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:54:16 -0500
> From: "Douglas Wight" <doug at recorder.ca>
>Subject: Fw: FURLING AND SALS
>
>David: Yahoo advises the address given is incorrect so have posted my reply
>to the A30 web-site. Doug.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Douglas Wight <doug at recorder.ca>
>To: <ROSE AU RUE at YAHOO.COM>
>Sent: 8-Dec-00 11:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [alberg30] FURLING AND SALS
>
>
>> David: Give Graham Moss a call at Windjammer Sails, Kingston. That is
>who
>> I bought my Profurl through and I was very happy with the service and
>> installation.
>> His "phone number is 613,389,4349.His web-site is in GAM.
>> Regards, Doug Wight, OWLET #603.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: DAVID MCFARLANE <ROSE_AU_RUE at YAHOO.COM>
>> To: <alberg30 at egroups.com>
>> Sent: 8-Dec-00 10:55 AM
>> Subject: [alberg30] FURLING AND SALS
>>
>>
>> > HI GUYS.ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A REASONABLE AND REPUTABLE
>> > DEALER TO PURCHASE NEW SAILS FOR MY ALBERG 30 AS WELL AS A FURLING
>> > SYSTEM.I AM HOPING YOUR EXPERIENCE WILL TAKE THE GUESSWORK AWAY FROM
>> > ME. I SAIL ON LAKE ONTARIO
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:48:23 -0500
> From: "Gord Laco" <gord at transatmarine.com>
>Subject: Re: RF Genoa
>
>Hello Shawn -
>
>I have a mitre-cut 150 that I would like to trade for a jib...
>
>Gord Surprise KC426
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: shawn orr <shawnwilliam at msn.com>
>To: <alberg30 at egroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:58 AM
>Subject: [alberg30] RF Genoa
>
>
>> Does anyone have a roller furling 150% genoa they would like to
>> sell. I would like to buy into the group purchase for the ProFurl.
>>
>> Shawn W. Orr
>> IL Molino #307
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:48:57 EST
> From: finnus505 at aol.com
>Subject: Re: Pearson returns like the Phoenix
>
>In a message dated 12/7/00 11:12:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tristan at one.net
>writes:
>
><<
> What is the answer? I for one, think that we need to get off of our
> collective duffs and visit schools to discuss sailing, show videos or
> slides, get scout groups and community groups interested and involved.
> I have a real concern about the increasingly smaller numbers every year
> of new sailors entering our magical world. Encouraging young people to
> sail, to get out and enjoy nature, to learn a quiet and strong way of
> leadership is to help build and facilitate tomorrow's leaders through
> sailing. If George Bush and Al Gore put >>
>
>Hey Scott,
>Nice surprise to see you on the A30 site. You make a few very compelling
>arguments/suggestions in your letter. The plan to get to kids by talking
to
>them in school is a good one, and really reveals a much broader problem,
that
>affects sailing, and us all in all ways.
>
>In the wake of Columbine and similar events, interviews with kids today
>reveal one very major factor in their lives; they are for the most part
bored
>to tears by the life they lead, and seem to have little concept of how to
>remedy the situation. In the worst cases, kids that would have emotional
>problems regardless of what their environment was, get into a state of mind
>that lets them beleive that killing people is the only appropriate remedy
to
>end their fustrations.
>
>It is simply unbeleivably and tragicaly ironic that this state of affairs
can
>coexist with the internet and tv, which puts all the information of the
>world, literaly, at their fingertips. All the things that young minds
should
>be immersed in, from art, science, history, etc etc, to show ;them what a
big
>world it is, and tospark their curiosity, and help them discover where
their
>many talents lie, and which ones they wish to pursue to fulfil them are
there
>for the taking, but put most kids in front of a PC today, and the best
video
>games and the best porn are the two main, and often only things they turn
on.
>
>
>Its guidance that these kids need, pure and simple. All kids are not
>destined to be Rhodes scholars,certainly, but there is much that could give
>them more satisfying and fullfilling things to fill out their lives.
>
>My earliest memories are of going to the Museum of Natural History,
>Metropolitan Museum of Art, etc. etc. with my folks. This wasn't done as a
>chore-I had no lessons to memorize about the trips afterwards-where we were
>going to have lunch was as big a part of the day as the huge elephants and
>other exhibits we were going to see. But in the fun, it was all
interesting.
> By the time I got to High School, I had so many interests, from astronomy
to
>debating, etc, drugs and mindless vandalism and violence were never a
>consideration. The time we spent on the boat from the time I could walk
>cultivated my interest and later obsession with the maritime world.
>
>Its the two job family, single parent family, etc. that keeps parents from
>giving the time to their kids that the kids need, in most cases. That is
not
>going to change. I know my folks were the exception, rather than the rule
in
>the middle class neighborhood in Brooklyn, NY where I grew up.
>
>Schools have kids in their grasp from 9 to 3, 10 months a year, from age 6
or
>so on. There is an opportunity there to show kids the world, and turn them
>on. Smaller class sizes, lots of school trips, guidance councelors there
for
>kids that begin to fall behind due to poor family situations etc. etc.is
the
>logical approach to get to the kids, and get them interested.
>
>More conservative people may say it is not the role of public schools to
>teach kids about culture, civics, expose them to ethics etc, to get them
>thinking; that is the role of parents, according to them. In a perfect
>world, of course I would agree. Last time you checked, was this a perfect
>world?
>
>This all sounds great, but I know it is not going to happen. Your plan to
get
>sailors involved in a local, grass roots type of program is a step in the
>right direction, and even if it is only a few kids that are reached, it
will
>be better than if no one had done anything at all.
>
>speak soon,
>Lee
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:37:38 -0500
> From: Marianne King-Wilson <addvalue at zeuter.com>
>Subject: Kids and sailing
>
>> Your plan to get
>> sailors involved in a local, grass roots type of program is a step in
the
>> right direction, and even if it is only a few kids that are reached, it
will
>> be better than if no one had done anything at all.
>>
>This IS possible! Our little club of fewer than 50 people was formed three
years
>ago, to bring sailing to Parry Sound on Georgian Bay. (About ten of our
members
>concentrate their efforts on the school, while the rest are involved in
race
>management.) We've had great success in attracting sailing races, but the
real
>surprise was how well the sailing school has done.
>
>In our little town of 6500, with an outlying population of another 25,000,
>augmented by the many thousands of cottagers in this area, we've had no
trouble
>filling the 200 places in the school each year--mostly with local kids.
Not only
>that, but 22 boats have been donated outright to the school, including a
fleet of
>10 new Optis. (The Optimist club has not yet participated by buying
boats.)
>
>Dozens of local businesses, most of whose proprietors do not sail, have
helped
>with donations and gifts. The idea of teaching kids to sail really caught
their
>imagination.
>
>Every adult sailor in the area has chipped in in one way or another.
>The Town gave us a piece of the Town Beach, (parking, washrooms, snack bar,
>lifeguard and lunchtime swimming available) and the Coast Guard let us put
the
>boats in a fenced enclosure at night.
>
>Now we have developed homegrown instructors. The lessons have extended
into the
>evenings, and we are teaching adults as well.
>This has always been a great boating town, but now these people and their
kids,
>are learning to sail.
>
>Importantly, there are community organizations which will confidentially
>supplement the cost of lessons for kids who need help. The cost is no
barrier.
>
>When I grew up in this town, kids complained there was nothing to do. I
had a
>boat, and I was never bored. Today, kids complain there is nothing to do,
and
>then they discover sailing! They are on the water, not on the street, and
not
>watching TV.
>
>Our motto is "a better community through sailing", and a major part of that
is
>that children learn all the skills and confidence and self-reliance of
sailing,
>and they have an enhanced sense of self-worth.
>I'm preaching to the converted, here, I realize. But only a few people can
make
>a powerful difference; you'd be amazed!
>
>Marianne King-Wilson---Windward #369
>http://www.SailParrySound.on.ca
>
>
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>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:26:02 -0500
> From: "John Bailey" <baileyje at voyager.net>
>Subject: Re: Kids and sailing
>
>I would like to make two points about kid's programs and Parry Sound.
>
>First, as a high school principal with 29 years in education, I cannot
agree more with the principle that programs like these are the best thing we
all can do for our children. It has very little to do with sailing and
everything to do with providing an
>exciting positive activity run by adults for children. It is important
that kids see us adults as providing an activity that is exciting to them
and shows the adults in a positive light. The little leagues of the world
in which the parents argue all the
> time become very destructive to kids in the long run. The world would be
better off without these programs. In my town both Little League Baseball
and Football are dying an agonizing death due to adults who would rather
have the kids win than have fun.
> In the meantime two new programs, soccer and hockey, have grown
tremendously. I have six kids. While none of them played hockey, all have
played soccer. In the hundreds of games I've attended I have never heard
one discou!
>raging word directed at a player, coach or official. It is not allowed by
rules and the league officials have backed the rules by not letting negative
adults participate. In a small town (3,500 with 10,000 in the surrounding
area) this is a difficult th
>ing to do. Our league does it to the great benefit of the kids. As a
result we have over 1,000 kids involved in soccer and probably that many
involved in hockey. Kudos to Parry Sound for their program. I have visited
Parry Sound twice. I hope I get t
>o visit Parry Sound again and see this program in action.
>
>Second, I am new to sailing but I am familiar with the North
Channel/Georgian Bay area by way of sea kayaking. It is my favourite place
on earth and anyone interested in sea kayaking or sailing should visit this
area at least one time in their life. It
>doesn't surprise me that Parry Sound has a good program for kids in their
town. As impressed as I am with the natural beauty of the area, I am more
impressed with the character and personality of the Canadians in that part
of the country. It is truly a
>superb place to visit. And besides, Parry Sound has the good judgement to
put an Alberg 30 as the first picture on their web-site.
>
>John Bailey
>"Zevulun" #33
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marianne King-Wilson
> To: alberg30 at egroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:37 PM
> Subject: [alberg30] Kids and sailing
>
>
> > Your plan to get
> > sailors involved in a local, grass roots type of program is a step in
the
> > right direction, and even if it is only a few kids that are reached,
it will
> > be better than if no one had done anything at all.
> >
> This IS possible! Our little club of fewer than 50 people was formed
three years
> ago, to bring sailing to Parry Sound on Georgian Bay. (About ten of our
members
> concentrate their efforts on the school, while the rest are involved in
race
> management.) We've had great success in attracting sailing races, but the
real
> surprise was how well the sailing school has done.
>
> In our little town of 6500, with an outlying population of another
25,000,
> augmented by the many thousands of cottagers in this area, we've had no
trouble
> filling the 200 places in the school each year--mostly with local kids.
Not only
> that, but 22 boats have been donated outright to the school, including a
fleet of
> 10 new Optis. (The Optimist club has not yet participated by buying
boats.)
>
> Dozens of local businesses, most of whose proprietors do not sail, have
helped
> with donations and gifts. The idea of teaching kids to sail really
caught their
> imagination.
>
> Every adult sailor in the area has chipped in in one way or another.
> The Town gave us a piece of the Town Beach, (parking, washrooms, snack
bar,
> lifeguard and lunchtime swimming available) and the Coast Guard let us
put the
> boats in a fenced enclosure at night.
>
> Now we have developed homegrown instructors. The lessons have extended
into the
> evenings, and we are teaching adults as well.
> This has always been a great boating town, but now these people and their
kids,
> are learning to sail.
>
> Importantly, there are community organizations which will confidentially
> supplement the cost of lessons for kids who need help. The cost is no
barrier.
>
> When I grew up in this town, kids complained there was nothing to do. I
had a
> boat, and I was never bored. Today, kids complain there is nothing to do,
and
> then they discover sailing! They are on the water, not on the street, and
not
> watching TV.
>
> Our motto is "a better community through sailing", and a major part of
that is
> that children learn all the skills and confidence and self-reliance of
sailing,
> and they have an enhanced sense of self-worth.
> I'm preaching to the converted, here, I realize. But only a few people
can make
> a powerful difference; you'd be amazed!
>
> Marianne King-Wilson---Windward #369
> http://www.SailParrySound.on.ca
>
>
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