[Alberg30] RE: Public-list digest, Vol 1 #119 - 6 msgs

Fri Mar 2 14:30:46 PST 2001

Thanks very much!  I appreciate it!  Harlan

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Repowering opinions and Atomic-4 for sale (George Dinwiddie)
   2. Re: Ballast (Bob Johns)
   3. Re: Repowering opinions and Atomic-4 for sale (Mike Lehman)
   4. They sold my boat without commission, IT ACTUALLY WORKED! (TBird
Convertible)
   5. RE: They sold my boat without commission, IT ACTUALLY
       WORKED! (Neal Jackson)

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Message: 1
From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at min.net>
Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Repowering opinions and Atomic-4 for sale
To: public-list at alberg30.org
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:23:00 -0500 (EST)
Organization: Hovel-On-The-Water
Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org

Harlan,

Since I'm sticking with the Atomic 4, I can't offer diesel advice based
on personal experience.  I doubt that 20hp will be a problem, however,
based on the Atomic 4 power curve and normal operating rpm.

You shouldn't have any problem selling the engine.  If you'd like, you
can list it at
http://www.alberg30.org/collaborate/moin.cgi/Atomic4EnginesForSale
and I'll drop a notice on the Atomic 4 mailing list.

 - George

> Doliner, Harlan said:
> 
> For a number of reasons we've made the big decision to re-power Evergreen,
> our Alberg 30, with diesel.   We've narrowed down the choices of engine
to:
> Westerbeke/Universal 25XPB 25hp, price quoted at $7,800; or Kubota/Beta
> Marine BD 722, 20 hp, price quoted at just under $5,700.  What can anyone
> tell me about their experiences in installing either of these in an Alberg
> 30, as well as opinions/experience regarding reliability, availability of
> parts, etc.?  Is going with the Universal worth the additional $2,100?  If
I
> go with the Kubota/Beta Marine will I be under-powered with a 20 hp diesel
> in an Alberg 30?  Any input is welcome.   Finally, to do some other work,
> we've already pulled the Atomic-4.  While the fuel filter was replaced in
> August, the engine needs a ring job and has some external, apparently just
> cosmetic rust where water dripped on it through crazing in the cockpit
floor
> (another project!).  It would have to be shipped from Manchester,
> Massachusetts.   Any offers, (including shipping)?   Thanks very much.
> Harlan Doliner, Evergreen #489.

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  George Dinwiddie                             gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
  The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:21:24 -0500
From: Bob Johns <rjohns3 at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Ballast
To: public-list at alberg30.org
Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org

Lee, Gord, et all.

This is a little off the subject but related to it. Before we bought our
A30 we looked at another one that had lead pigs added under the sole up
forward. This was added, not to  increase stability, but to improve the
fore-and-aft trim. (I remember hearing a good sailor commenting that the
Alberg designs tended to squat in the stern.) I always meant to try this
myself but never got around to it even though I have always been aware that
our A30 does squat in the stern.

My second comment relates to heel while beating. The Alberg designs do not
like to be sailed completely rail down. I first became aware of this when I
was crewing on a Alberg 35. We were going to be late for the start of the
race and the skipper was pressing hard trying to get there in time for the
start. The rail was down to the level of the water and we were really
plowing through the water. When we realized that we could not make the
start we shortened sail and found that we picked up almost a knot and were
sailing much more comfortably.

Forgive me if I am just stating the obvious.

Regards,
	Bob Johns, Wind Call #397

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Message: 3
From: "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Repowering opinions and Atomic-4 for sale
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:31:06 -0500
Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org

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Harlan, your boat has a liner, unlike the older boats pre-400 that do not.
The engine bed is an integral part of that liner. Therefore a major
consideration is the engine bed. On the older boats it wasn't that difficult
to modify, on boats with liners it becomes more of an issue. That's one of
the main reasons I chose the engine I did about 4 years ago when I chose to
re-power in "Gilleleje" #505 which also has a liner. So, I choose an engine
that matches the mounting locations as close as possible to the A4. Be aware
that Whitby made some extender plates for the A4 for the Alberg. Important
measurements are: centerline of the boat to centerline of the port/starboard
mounting holes; Centerline of the aft mounting hole to the rear of the
engine [back of flange]; Centerline of forward mounting holes to front of
engine and finally distance between the for and aft mounting holes. Engine
height and depth from engine mounts are also important. I wanted to do the
job myself with only minor outside help [such as final alignment]. If I had
chosen an engine with very different mounts, it would have meant contracting
out the installation at a cost of about $2500.

As for power...when running at 1400 RPM in the A4 you are not very far up on
the power curve and are only using about 10HP. Several Albergs have
re-powered with 10.5 HP diesels and are under powered in choppy seas. It's
important to note that the transmission in the diesel uses a 2:1 reduction
vs. direct drive (1:1) with the A4, therefore you will be running the diesel
at 2800 RPM to achieve the 1400 RPM Shaft speed. A 20HP engine at 2800RPM is
more than enough power! Hull speed will probably be reached at 2400-2500
RPMs. Plan to re-prop the boat, the A4 prop won't work.

Hope this has been helpful. I have some tips and tricks that I used to make
the job easier. Let me know when you are ready and I will share them with
you. The attached photo will show my installation and you should be able to
see the forward port mount clearly enough to see the minor modification I
had to make. Best of luck.

Mike Lehman
840 Mill Creek Road
Arnold, MD 21012
(410) 544-9067 (Home)
(443) 253-7054 (Mobile)

sail_505 at hotmail.com

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From: "Doliner, Harlan" <HDOLINER at nixonpeabody.com>
To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: [Alberg30] Repowering opinions and Atomic-4 for sale

> For a number of reasons we've made the big decision to re-power Evergreen,
> our Alberg 30, with diesel.   We've narrowed down the choices of engine
to:
> Westerbeke/Universal 25XPB 25hp, price quoted at $7,800; or Kubota/Beta
> Marine BD 722, 20 hp, price quoted at just under $5,700.  What can anyone
> tell me about their experiences in installing either of these in an Alberg
> 30, as well as opinions/experience regarding reliability, availability of
> parts, etc.?  Is going with the Universal worth the additional $2,100?  If
I
> go with the Kubota/Beta Marine will I be under-powered with a 20 hp diesel
> in an Alberg 30?  Any input is welcome.   Finally, to do some other work,
> we've already pulled the Atomic-4.  While the fuel filter was replaced in
> August, the engine needs a ring job and has some external, apparently just
> cosmetic rust where water dripped on it through crazing in the cockpit
floor
> (another project!).  It would have to be shipped from Manchester,
> Massachusetts.   Any offers, (including shipping)?   Thanks very much.
> Harlan Doliner, Evergreen #489.
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:02:12 -0500 (EST)
From: TBird Convertible <tbird at consultant.com>
To: public-list at alberg30.org
Subject: [Alberg30] They sold my boat without commission, IT ACTUALLY
WORKED!
Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org

Hi,

Recommendation as promised... American Boat Listing is NOT a broker, and I
promised Larry if he sold my boat, I would recommend them.

Finally an honest company that really did the legwork in getting me my buyer
for my sailboat. They actively market the boat, and got buyers to call me
directly who were willing to look in my area.

Please call them and ask for Larry Halpert. He was so helpful, and will look
up a market value for your boat (at no cost), and cross-reference that with
current requests he might have in your area, and what those people said
they're willing to spend. The number is (877) 532-4775 (or 516-771-2065)

They gave me more exposure than any of the brokers I tried, and had more
incentive. The brokers get ten percent for ANYTHING they sell, so they only
try to sell the easy boats. Mine just sat. American Boat Listing only
charged $190, and didn't charge the buyers anything to get my page of info
sent to them. They worked to not "eat" through their listing fee with faxing
& mail costs.
They got me the buyer, and he gave me the cash, within 16 days. My bottom
line was $61,000, I advertised it with them at $65,900, and was offered
64,000 and took it. ABL took no commission.

I met them at a NMMA boat show, but I'm searching their website now for my
next boat.

When something works for me, I like to recommend it. Call and ask for Larry.

Good Luck,
Ronald Galloway

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Message: 5
From: Neal  Jackson <NJackson at npr.org>
To: "'public-list at alberg30.org'" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Subject: RE: [Alberg30] They sold my boat without commission, IT ACTUALLY 
	WORKED!
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:23:15 -0500 
Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org

Sure looks like a paid flack to me.

He sure didn't sell an Arlberg for $60K plus!

Neal Jackson
Peregrine
#486

-----Original Message-----
From: TBird Convertible [mailto:tbird at consultant.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:02 PM
To: public-list at alberg30.org
Subject: [Alberg30] They sold my boat without commission, IT ACTUALLY
WORKED!

Hi,

Recommendation as promised... American Boat Listing is NOT a broker, and I
promised Larry if he sold my boat, I would recommend them.

Finally an honest company that really did the legwork in getting me my buyer
for my sailboat. They actively market the boat, and got buyers to call me
directly who were willing to look in my area.

Please call them and ask for Larry Halpert. He was so helpful, and will look
up a market value for your boat (at no cost), and cross-reference that with
current requests he might have in your area, and what those people said
they're willing to spend. The number is (877) 532-4775 (or 516-771-2065)

They gave me more exposure than any of the brokers I tried, and had more
incentive. The brokers get ten percent for ANYTHING they sell, so they only
try to sell the easy boats. Mine just sat. American Boat Listing only
charged $190, and didn't charge the buyers anything to get my page of info
sent to them. They worked to not "eat" through their listing fee with faxing
& mail costs.
They got me the buyer, and he gave me the cash, within 16 days. My bottom
line was $61,000, I advertised it with them at $65,900, and was offered
64,000 and took it. ABL took no commission.

I met them at a NMMA boat show, but I'm searching their website now for my
next boat.

When something works for me, I like to recommend it. Call and ask for Larry.

Good Luck,
Ronald Galloway

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