[Alberg30] Raised Main Cabin Bunks

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Roger,
I think your idea is great. Moreover there is nothing sacred about the 
arrangement Alberg came up with, which is standard and which I heard was forced upon 
him by marketing people, who insisted that the boat had to "sleep four" for 
sales reasons. 
But the boat is not comfortable for 4 to liveaboard. So why not redesign it 
to be roomy for 1 or 2? I wish I could get hold of one of those airline seats 
that converts to a bed!
I have been trying to come up with something for years.
There are a few of us out there. Take heart!
Paul Cicchetti
#23 Ashwagh


In a message dated 7/20/2003 10:16:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gail.helmes at ngc.com writes:

> Subj: RE: [Alberg30] Raised Main Cabin Bunks 
>  Date: 7/20/2003 10:16:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>  From: <A HREF="mailto:gail.helmes at ngc.com">gail.helmes at ngc.com</A>
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> 
> 
> 
> Roger,
>   If it's an excellent view you are looking for, try sitting in the
> cockpit.  360 degrees of visibility, nice breeze, buy a nice awning (or
> cheap colorful beach umbrella) for shade. Besides, once your wife sews up
> some nice new curtains for privacy, your view down below sort of goes out
> the window.
> Good luck with all your boat projects, and keep those creative juices
> flowing.
> Gail  :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger L. Kingsland [mailto:rkingsland101 at ksba.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:22 PM
> To: Alberg 30 public list
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Raised Main Cabin Bunks
> 
> 
> Larry;
> 
> Considering I have about 40 items on my to do list just to get the boat back
> in the water, your first point is a good one.  However, design of boat
> layout is a hobby of mine and it is a pleasant break from rubbing and
> scraping.
> 
> I think you are incorrect on your second point, however.  I mocked up a seat
> last night and, even with my swelled head, shoulder clearance is the
> controlling factor (one seat faces forward, one aft).  With a seat 16" above
> the current bunk height (I was hoping to get 18"), my shoulder comfortably
> clears the underside of the deck while I have about 4" from the top of my
> head to the underside of the cabin.  Perhaps that was your point.  The view
> out the ports is still excellent though.
> 
> I might squander some more time from real work this weekend and build it out
> of plywood so I can post a video for everyone to "visualize."
> 
> Film at 11:00,
> 
> Roger
> #184
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Morris" <larmor at myexcel.com>
> To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Raised Main Cabin Bunks
> 
> 
> >Roger,
> >
> >Just remember Beer can play tricks with the mind.  Does the pphrase "If it
> >ain't broke don't fix it" come to mind.  Remember your headroom is
> dictated
> >by the side deck not the coach roof.
> >
> >Larry
> >Solstice #501
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Roger L. Kingsland <rkingsland101 at ksba.com>
> >To: Alberg 30 public list <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:28 PM
> >Subject: [Alberg30] Raised Main Cabin Bunks
> >
> >
> >>Since we all are probably all frustrated navel architects, I thought I
> >would
> >>float what might be a stupid idea out to everyone for feedback.
> >>
> >>I have been perplexed as to why the bunks in the main cabin on A30s are
> so
> >>low (at least those in #148).  They are several inches below accepted
> >>ergonomic standards and it would seem that raising them would allow for
> >more
> >>storage underneath.  Also, the bunks are too low to be able to see out
> >>(pilot house style) those wounderful "picture windows" while seated.
> >>
> >>I had a few beers on board yesterday (a good reason to suspect the
> validy
> >of
> >>the idea) and determined the optimum seat height to see out of the main
> >>cabin ports is just a few inches lower than the galley counter and table
> >>height (they are about the same height).  This height would allow the
> >>opportunity to install a two person fore n' aft, "booth" on the
> starboard
> >>side (I have a refrigerator with the door facing forward on port so I
> can
> >>only raise that bunk about 6" before the door bumps into the cushion).
> >>
> >>The middle third of the current starboard bunk area could be a table
> (that
> >>would mount directly below the locker door), and the end thirds could be
> >>seats.  Each would align with one of the three storage doors above. The
> >>table could drop down to form a high, single bunk at seat level.  The
> >users
> >>feet (under the table) would rest on the on the current bunk base so
> there
> >>could be room for a drawer under.  The advantages are I could have a sit
> >>down nav station, great dining for two (I might be able to devise pull
> out
> >>seats for two more) and a "base cabinet" under each seat (gobs more
> >>storage).
> >>
> >>I could probably put a tank (beer keg) or tool storage under the aft
> seat
> >>with microwave or cooler above it.  With optimum seat height a few
> inches
> >>below galley counter height, the back rest could fold down to form extra
> >>counter space (to replace the fold up counter there now).  Since the
> >forward
> >>seat is partially behind the starboard side fore/aft bulkhead, I might
> >want
> >>to access that storage from the seat (or install a tank).
> >>
> >>One downside is the bunk heights will differ by about a foot which
> should
> >>not matter so much if I can figure out how to seat 4 at the table for
> >meals,
> >>games etc. I might even mock up the solution in plywood to see how it
> >feels.
> >>
> >>For anyone interested, what do you think?
> >>
> >>Roger Kingsland
> >>
> >>Mahina Manu, A30 #148
> >>On the hard at N40-29.284, W79-53.854
> >>
> >>(412) 252-1500 x101 office
> >>(412) 779-5101 cell
> >>rkingsland101 at ksba.com
> 

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