[Alberg30] Re: Public-list Digest, Vol 161, Issue 5
Barbara and Jim Palmer
barbara at waconah.com
Tue Mar 18 16:55:17 PST 2003
George,
I went to buy the butane stove and 4 canisters of fuel. This afternoon the
stove was $14.88 and fuel was $1. My bill came to $19.99. They don't speak
English and they charged my credit card $199.99. I refused to sign it and
got angry. They didn't know how to fix it, so they gave me $180.00 so I
would sign the slip. I hope this stove works. It didn't look like the same
quality as the ones from Boat US I bought my kids.
Barbara
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> 1. Re: Window storm shutters (DanaB)
> 2. butane stoves (George Dinwiddie)
> 3. Send Receive Test (Charles Haggart)
> 4. Re: Re: plastics (Dave Terrell)
> 5. Re: Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts (chrishardy)
> 6. test messge (George Dinwiddie)
> 7. test message (George Dinwiddie)
> 8. RE: Send Receive Test (Christos Katehis)
> 9. RE: Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts (Scott Maury)
> 10. Re: Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts (Kevin Blanc)
> 11. Re: butane stoves (Daniel Walker)
> 12. Collision Avoidance (Christos Katehis)
> 13. Re: Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts (chrishardy)
> 14. Re: Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts (chrishardy)
> 15. Yanmar 2GM30 Installation (Voyager Toronto)
> 16. Re: butane stoves (George Dinwiddie)
> 17. Re: Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts (George Dinwiddie)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:45:56 -0500
> From: DanaB <Berube5 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Window storm shutters
> To: Alberg 30 public list <public-list at alberg30.org>
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> On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 08:52 PM, Randy Katz wrote:
>
> > Greetings-- A couple of things in mind...
> >
> > 1. Anyone have thoughts on making storm shutters for the salon
> > windows?
> > I searched the A-30 site but found nothing about this. I've seen one
> > boat
> > that had .5" or so lexan (I think) that was secured over existing
> > windows
> > with several wing nuts-- can that take a hit without punching a hole
> > where
> > the wingnuts go through the cabin side?
> > Other ideas?
> > Also checked the Triton site but found nada.
>
> If you check this section of the National Triton Association website:
> http://tritonclass.org/mir/
>
> You will find the following reply to this very question regarding storm
> shutters- (BTW James Baldwin has twice circumnavigated the globe in his
> Triton "ATOM"). I plan to do something similar using 1/2" plexiglass.
>
> Dana Berube
> Triton #99 "Whirlwind"
>
> SEA WINDOWS
>
> Jim Baldwin, #384, ATOM
>
> I used to place heavy plywood shutters over Atom's cabin windows before
> each offshore passage because I worried about their strength.
>
> Several years ago I removed the cabin windows and replaced them with 10
> mm lexan. But first, when I had the frames out, I sealed the gap
> between cabin top and cabin liner with thickened epoxy. I did this to
> stop future leaks as well as to build up the width of the cabin side
> for the thicker windows to fit properly in their frames. The bolt holes
> on the inside of the frames were then drilled through the outside of
> the frames so that they could be thru-bolted. I countersunk the holes
> on the outside of the frames and inserted flathead 6 mm machine screws
> with cap nuts on the inside. These windows are very strong and I don't
> carry those awkward shutters anymore.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:38:51 -0500
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> Subject: [Alberg30] butane stoves
> To: Alberg 30 public list <public-list at alberg30.org>
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> For those in the Baltimore area who own (or want to own) a single-burner
> portable butane stove, I found a great deal. At the dollar store next
> to the Giant at the north end of Ritchie Highway (same shopping center
> as the Glen Burnie Lowes), they've got the stoves for $13 with a plastic
> carrying case. The fuel is $1 per can.
>
> - George
>
>
> --
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> Hope your road is a long one. George Dinwiddie
> May there be many summer mornings when, gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> with what pleasure, what joy, http://www.Alberg30.org
> you enter harbors you're seeing for the first time;
> from 'Ithaka' by C.P. Cavafy
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:11:55 -0500
> From: "Charles Haggart" <chaggart at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [Alberg30] Send Receive Test
> To: "'Alberg 30 public list'" <public-list at alberg30.org>
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> Just a test.
>
>
>
> Charles Haggart A30 #150
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:46:10 -0500
> From: "Dave Terrell" <DTERRELL at message.nmc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Re: plastics
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> I noticed in the current West Marine Catalogue that 3M makes a adhesive
> numbered 4100 that has uv inhibitors and is described as suitable for
> lexan and plexiglass.
>
> >>> BlueDolphin at rivnet.net 03/13/03 06:33PM >>>
> I checked the 3M site and 101 in white is still on the market. It is
> the
> black 101 that is no longer available. I believe LifeSeal makes a
> black
> polysulfide sealant that is comparable to the black 101. I use this
> on
> chainplates (I know, I said I ONLY use 5200 but I lied) I like the
> polysulfide for chainplates as it is far more flexible and does not
> crack.
>
> Bob Chambers
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:38:59 -0500
> From: chrishardy <chrishardy at tds.net>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts
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> > I was at the plumbing supply today getting 304 stainless fittings to
> > replace my exhaust riser today ($41.00) and I came across a pedistal
> > sink wrench that may be perfect as a packing nut wrench but I couldnt
> > remember the size if my stuffing box nuts. I thought they were 1 1/4
> > or 1.875" across the nut. It was $9.50 was well made and like a flare
> > nut wrench would slip over the shaft and give a good bearing all
> > around the nut. Can anyone remember the size of the stuffing box nut
> > off the top of their heads. I know this is trivial considering all
> > that is going on in the world but it's also a distraction that keeps
> > me away from the tv. Chris
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:03:44 -0500
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> Subject: [Alberg30] test messge
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> May there be many summer mornings when, gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> with what pleasure, what joy, http://www.Alberg30.org
> you enter harbors you're seeing for the first time;
> from 'Ithaka' by C.P. Cavafy
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>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:38:12 -0500
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> Subject: [Alberg30] test message
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> May there be many summer mornings when, gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> with what pleasure, what joy, http://www.Alberg30.org
> you enter harbors you're seeing for the first time;
> from 'Ithaka' by C.P. Cavafy
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:36:52 -0800
> From: "Christos Katehis" <GreekSailor at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: RE: [Alberg30] Send Receive Test
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> A O K
>
> Amazingly quiet......
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org]On Behalf Of Charles Haggart
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 5:12 PM
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> Subject: [Alberg30] Send Receive Test
>
>
> Just a test.
>
>
>
> Charles Haggart A30 #150
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:50:02 -0500
> From: Scott Maury <a30sailor at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [Alberg30] Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts
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> on this riser- is that for the s/s at4 riser- I have delt with a seeping
> unit for years and any quotes for replacemnt has been $700 plus- marine
tex
> has helped but not solved issue. talk more about this?
>
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org]On Behalf Of chrishardy
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:39 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts
>
>
> > I was at the plumbing supply today getting 304 stainless fittings to
> > replace my exhaust riser today ($41.00) and I came across a pedistal
> > sink wrench that may be perfect as a packing nut wrench but I couldnt
> > remember the size if my stuffing box nuts. I thought they were 1 1/4
> > or 1.875" across the nut. It was $9.50 was well made and like a flare
> > nut wrench would slip over the shaft and give a good bearing all
> > around the nut. Can anyone remember the size of the stuffing box nut
> > off the top of their heads. I know this is trivial considering all
> > that is going on in the world but it's also a distraction that keeps
> > me away from the tv. Chris
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:36:19 -0500
> From: Kevin Blanc <t.k.blanc at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts
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> Can you tell me what plumbing supply has stainless fittings?
>
> chrishardy wrote:
>
> >> I was at the plumbing supply today getting 304 stainless fittings to
> >> replace my exhaust riser today ($41.00) and I came across a pedistal
> >> sink wrench that may be perfect as a packing nut wrench but I couldnt
> >> remember the size if my stuffing box nuts. I thought they were 1 1/4
> >> or 1.875" across the nut. It was $9.50 was well made and like a
> >> flare nut wrench would slip over the shaft and give a good bearing
> >> all around the nut. Can anyone remember the size of the stuffing box
> >> nut off the top of their heads. I know this is trivial considering
> >> all that is going on in the world but it's also a distraction that
> >> keeps me away from the tv. Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:50:31 -0500
> From: "Daniel Walker" <Dwalker at cemcocpa.com>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] butane stoves
> To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
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> so george, what was the brandname on the stoves?
> dan
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:02:35 -0800
> From: "Christos Katehis" <GreekSailor at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: [Alberg30] Collision Avoidance
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> Has anybody any experience with the Collision Avoidance Radar Detector
> (C.A.R.D) system?
>
> Chris Katehis
> Kasia #383
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:45:50 -0500
> From: chrishardy <chrishardy at tds.net>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts
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> Yes I had alot of exhaust leaking around the old flange I ordered a new
> flange from Moyer Marine.I then got new 304 s.s. fittings from FW Webb
> valve co. (All over this area) I got 1 1 1/4" street 90, 1 9" nipple, 1
> reg. 90, 1 close nipple ,1 45 deg and one 6" nipple then got one 3/8" x
> 5" nipple I drilled a 9/16" hole in the 6" nipple and welded the 3/8"
> nipple at a 45 deg angle to it for the raw water return. If you can't
> find the 9" nipple two 4" and a coupling will do. the whole thing cost
> me $40.00,, now I was able to weld stainless If anyone needs that part
> done I will do it for free if you send me the parts....Chris I'm looking
> forward to not hearing my monoxide detector go off all summer.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:47:32 -0500
> From: chrishardy <chrishardy at tds.net>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts
> To: Alberg 30 public list <public-list at alberg30.org>
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> F W Webb Co. up here but I'm sure other places have them too
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:27:59 +0000
> From: "Voyager Toronto" <voyagertoronto at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Alberg30] Yanmar 2GM30 Installation
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> I'm installing a new Yanmar 2GM30F. I knew from messages on this list that
> others have installed this engine, so did not anticipate any problems with
> fit, especially as my (old) hull#30 has no liner -- just went ahead and
> bought the engine. Imagine my surprise, then, trying to fit the template I
> made of the engine in order to determine the position of the engine bed.
My
> template is telling me the hull profile in this area is too shallow: with
> the aftermost flexible engine mounts sitting on the bare hull in the
> fore-and-aft and athwartships position they would need to be, and my
> template on top of them, the engine coupling is vertically higher than the
> shaft coupling. I've checked and rechecked the measurements on my template
> against the engine diagram/specs, hoping I've made a mistake. but no luck.
> An engineering friend of mine who looked at it thinks (assuming my
template
> is accurate) the only workable solution is to install the aftermost engine
> mounts outside of (inside of under) the engine and suspend the after-end
of
> the engine from brackets attached to these mounts. Can those who've
> installed this engine say if you've had a similar experience? Are all four
> of your mounts sitting UNDER the engine where they should be? I hope
> someone can point out to me where I have made a huge mistake, because I
> didn't anticipate a problem of this proportion. From visual inspection, it
> would not appear the problem can be solved by using a longer shaft,
brought
> forward. The new engine is replacing a Volvo MD7A.
>
> Calvin, Voyager#30
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:28:03 -0500
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] butane stoves
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> Dan,
>
> I don't know. I think they were a Korean import. The gas cartridges
> were. I'd guess they're a little lighter built than name-brand, but at
> that price they're almost disposable.
>
> - George
>
> Daniel Walker wrote:
> > so george, what was the brandname on the stoves?
> > dan
> >
> >
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> May there be many summer mornings when, gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> with what pleasure, what joy, http://www.Alberg30.org
> you enter harbors you're seeing for the first time;
> from 'Ithaka' by C.P. Cavafy
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:33:33 -0500
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Packing gland wrench/Exhaust parts
> To: Alberg 30 public list <public-list at alberg30.org>
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> On most stuffing boxes, the nuts are two different sizes -- one 1-7/8"
> and one 2". I bought a set of large wrenches off Ebay, and I've just
> cut off the open-end ends. I'll know soon how well they work.
>
> BTW, I've got a diagram
> (http://www.alberg30.org/maintenance/MechanicalPropulsion/Exhaust/) of
> my exhaust system.
>
> - George
>
>
>
> chrishardy wrote:
> >> I was at the plumbing supply today getting 304 stainless fittings to
> >> replace my exhaust riser today ($41.00) and I came across a pedistal
> >> sink wrench that may be perfect as a packing nut wrench but I couldnt
> >> remember the size if my stuffing box nuts. I thought they were 1 1/4
> >> or 1.875" across the nut. It was $9.50 was well made and like a flare
> >> nut wrench would slip over the shaft and give a good bearing all
> >> around the nut. Can anyone remember the size of the stuffing box nut
> >> off the top of their heads. I know this is trivial considering all
> >> that is going on in the world but it's also a distraction that keeps
> >> me away from the tv. Chris
> >
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