[Alberg30] Request for Purchasing Advice

[David and Barbara Cooke]

Jim;
Interesting that you mention the soft deck condition.  I was snooping about
an A30 last year and felt a very squishy deck. It felt as though it would be
an expensive fix.
Dave
 
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From: Alberg 30 public list
Date: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:11:59 PM
To: Alberg 30 public list
Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Request for Purchasing Advice
 
Dave.

Some of the Albergs manufactured in the early 70's, Hull numbers between
around 400 to 500 developed soft decks. My impression was that the boat
builder, Whitby Boat Works, was learning to use a chopper gun, in the
repairs I've seen it was obvious that the composite was "resin starved" or
too dry--this allowed water to wick in and rot the core. I tried to explain
this to Kurt Hansen all to no avail. Use a hammer on the deck. If you get
any dull thuds in stead of a nice sharp crack you probably got some water &
rot in process. If you can feel the softness when you walk on it I'd say the
deck was in an advanced phase of degradation. I wouldn't buy one with soft
decks.

Mike Lehman has a procedure for installing a holding tank.

Jim Mennucci



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From: Gordon LACO
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 6:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Request for Purchasing Advice

on 3/2/03 12:57 PM, Ibby El-Raheb at elraheb at rogers.com wrote:

> Hi Dave,
> 
> I too was/am interested in the A30. And like you I live in Canada
> (Toronto Area). My understanding is the A30 was built in Canada, but the
> selection is kind of limited up here. If you look south of the border
> than make sure you research the Canadian import requirements well. I put
> my plans on hold for a while mainly because the economic climate and
> also in part due to the apparent hassle of importing a vessel from the
> US.
> 
> Good luck on your search.
> 
> Regards, _____________________________
> Ibby El-Raheb
> elraheb at rogers.com
> You cannot direct the wind but you can adjust your sails
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of David and Barbara
> Cooke
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:27 PM
> To: public-list at alberg30.org
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Request for Purchasing Advice
> 
> Jim:
> 
> Thanks for the info. I envy you in the Chesapeake area with such a
> large
> fleet of A-30s. I'm not sure how many there are in the
> Washington/British
> Columbia waters, but it seems that my search will be fairly limited by
> availability. 
> 
> Are you aware of any specific problem areas: ie, de-lamination, or
> fleet-wide structural ailments that I should be on the lookout for?
> 
> 
> Is there a class design for retro-fitting a black-water holding tank?
> 
> Thanks much.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -------Original Message-------
> 
> 
> 
> From: Alberg 30 public list
> 
> Date: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:44:33 AM
> 
> To: Alberg 30 public list
> 
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Request for Purchasing Advice
> 
> 
> 
> Dave, Barb,
> 
> 
> 
> I've been around the 250 boat Chesapeake fleet of Albergs since 1975 and
> am
> aware of the wide range of conditions you can find the boats in--the
> asking
> price generally reflects condition (especially if its been on the market
> for
> awhile). My opinion is that there's 3 price brackets: 1) free to
> <$5K--this
> will be a boat with all original equipment and no consequential
> upgrades. It
> also probably means that there hasn't been a lot of drilling and
> modifications done and this can be an advantage if your looking to do a
> restoration. If the decks are solid, and the bottom in good condition
> you
> have a good starting point. Plan on re-powering, re-canvassing,
> re-electronicing, painting inside and out, if the boat hasn't spent time
> in
> the south the standing rigging is probably ok but needs a close look. 2)
> up
> to about $13K you start seeing upgrades and some TLC and should be very
> sailable but not ready for extended cruising. 3) At around $20K you
> should
> find a well cared for boat with good sail inventory and equipment in
> good
> repair. These are my opinions which my not be shared by all.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Mennucci
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: David and Barbara Cooke
> 
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:03 PM
> 
> To: Public-list at alberg30.org
> 
> Subject: [Alberg30] Request for Purchasing Advice
> 
> 
> 
> Hello;
> 
> 
> 
> I am new to this list as of today. Since the days, about 30 years ago
> when I
> 
> was a teenager and avid sailor, I have always loved the lines of the
> Alberg
> 
> 30. I vowed back then that if I ever were to be able to afford to buy a
> 
> boat it would be none other than an Alberg 30. I have recently finally
> got
> 
> myself in a position where I can seriously start Alberg shopping.
> 
> 
> 
> I was wondering if members on this list could feed me some advice from
> their
> 
> first hand experience on what to look for and what prices and features
> 
> should be expected when shopping for the Alberg 30.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Cooke
> 
> Victoria, British Columbia
> 
> 
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Hey Ibby - 

There are many hundreds of Alberg 30's here in Canada.... our colleagues in
the the Eastern US are more organized but the boats are still here. Check
out Canadian Yachting's on line review of the class.

There is a broker near me here that does a fair bit of trade in Albergs -
I'll give you his name etc if you write.

On another topic - I got furious at the TV last night watching NZ wander
around tamely following Alinghi. The number one rule anyone learns when
yacht racing is "if you do not have commanding speed over a rival - don't
follow him when you are behind." The one time NZ did start a tacking duel
they made up a lot of ground... but they gave up! I suppose there is some
reason but from my living room couch it looked to me that driving the hell
out of the boat and crew would have been the right thing to do when the
chips are down and the last race is being lost. Oh well - I did enjoy the
coverage.

Gord
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