[Alberg30] More Radical Changes

Roger L. Kingsland rkingsland101 at ksba.com
Wed Oct 1 04:29:55 PDT 2003


Mike,

Now your talkin.  Can I get a bow sprit with one of those dolphin strikers
and a little square sail on the very end?  I could also put a crow's nest on
the new mizzen.

Roger

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Tensioning Dual Stays


> Roger, have you considered adding a bowsprit and moving the headstay
forward? This would give you better separation between the head sails. Then
you could add a missen mast to balance out the lee helm.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Roger L. Kingsland
>   To: Alberg 30 public list
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:09 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Tensioning Dual Stays
>
>
>   Calvin;
>
>   Are you contemplating something like the following I posted on 8/8/03?
>
>   "Also, I am considering adding an inner forestay for my hank on working
jib
>   and #1 (both in good shape).  It might cost less than modifying the
sails
>   for roller feruling (my #2, is the only sail set up for feruling) and
give
>   me additional flexibility in changing headsails for wind conditions.
Since
>   the roller feruling #2 is the "middle" sail, I could hank on the next
sail
>   in advance (up or down in size depending on wind trend) and change sails
>   later without having to go to the foredeck. Of course, the #2 would have
to
>   be feruled on every tack/jibe.  My guess is the new forestay would have
to
>   run parallel the existing about 6"-10" aft.  Any thoughts on how
feasible
>   this would be?  Has anyone tried it?"
>
>   I also sent the following to the navel architect that surveyed my boat
but
>   have not heard back.
>
>   Mike;
>
>   Looking over my sail inventory I discovered I have an almost new, Hild
150
>   and a very heavy working jib in good condition.  Both are hank on and
Mahina
>   has been converted to Harken roller ferruling.  I have a 130 set up for
>   roller ferruling; it is by North and made of "Norlam"  which I
understand is
>   some type of Mylar.  It is in OK shape except the UV protection is shot
and
>   it is very grey with mildew.
>
>   I thought of adding a second head stay parallel to and about 8" inside
of
>   the roller head stay.  That way I could have the middle sail on a roller
and
>   have the light and heavy sails available on the new head stay.  I would
>   either roll up the 130 to tack or disconnect the new head stay until
needed.
>   With the "middle" sail on the furreler, I would have plenty of time to
put
>   the right sail on the new stay as the wind increases or decreases.
>
>   I could also design the new head stay to attach to a second new chain
plate
>   above the bulkhead separating the chain locker from the forward cabin.
It
>   looks to be about 1/3 of the way back to the mast.  This way I could
move
>   the center of effort closer to the mast in high wind (say working jib or
>   storm jib with triple reef main).  Although, with the mast already so
far
>   forward, it may have little advantage.
>
>   I have attached a picture of the bow.  Looks like new stay will not fit
at
>   aft end of stainless bow base plate so (I plan to remove the deck
mounted
>   anchor and install rollers).  I thought of glassing in a mini bulkhead
to
>   hold a thru deck chain plate at the forward end of the chain locker
(perhaps
>   4" to 6" aft of the bow plate).  Also attached are plan, section and
>   elevation drawings.
>
>   Do you think this is feasible?  It will probably cost less than
modifying 2
>   sails for the roller but I might be missing something.  Also, is there
any
>   issue with increasing the rigging loads (particularly the mast
compression
>   [I do have the add on alum. gusset plates at the door header under the
mast
>   step]) or will I simply tighten the roller or the new head stay but not
>   both?
>
>   So many questions, your feedback would be appreciated; no hurry though.
>
>   Roger
>   (412) 252-1500
>
>   If so, I would like to learn more about your solution since I am still
>   considering it for my A30.
>
>   Roger Kingsland
>
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: "Brian and Elaine Timmins" <timmins at optonline.net>
>   To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
>   Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:05 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Tensioning Dual Stays
>
>
>   > Depends on how they're installed.
>   > Need more info (or pictures).
>   > Brian    ex#497
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: "Voyager Toronto" <voyagertoronto at hotmail.com>
>   > To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
>   > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:00 PM
>   > Subject: [Alberg30] Tensioning Dual Stays
>   >
>   >
>   > > What's the correct tuning when both a (Profurl) furling system AND a
>   > > separate forestay are installed?
>   > > Calvin
>   > > Voyager #30, Toronto
>   > >
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