[Alberg30] New Main Sail
Melissa Currier
mcurrier at spinrx.com
Tue Sep 30 08:24:58 PDT 2003
For those who are curious, here are some pictures of Infinity's maiden
voyage with her new Haarcticks during the 2003 NOOD Regatta in Annapolis
this past May. You can see the battens and the shapes fairly well in
these.
http://www.spinrx.com/mel/Infinity.htm
> Steve Voorhis 410-263-5028
> I don't believe they have a booth at the Boat Show, but I'm sure Steve
> would be willing meet with you if you are coming to town for the Show.
> He is local.
>
> P.S. Steve helped us to decide on 4 battens and 2 reef points. We've
> had occasion to fly the Main in all three positions. Shape is fabulous.
>
>> Who is your contact there AND do they usually attend
>> the Annapolis Sailboat show?
>>
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>>
>> On 9/30/03 9:18 AM, "Melissa Currier" <mcurrier at spinrx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One Word: Haarstick
>>>
>>> We recently purchased an entire suit of sails from Haarstick and have
>>> never been more satisfied. They are just gorgeous. Company is based
>>> in Rochester, NY, but they have local salesfolks here and there and
>>> around.
>>>
>>> http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com
>>>
>>> Melissa Currier -- Infinity #57
>>>
>>>> Hello -
>>>>
>>>> I think that most would agree that two masted rigs on vessels below
>>>> 35' loa generally result in a fairly dramatic loss of performance.
>>>> In the days before good self-steering long distance voyagers used
>>>> them in their attempts to improve the ability of the boat's
>>>> naturally self steering... and the result has been residual praise
>>>> for small ketches and yawls. Doing that to an Alberg will result in
>>>> a boat that has to motor to windward and is awkward to sail on other
>>>> tacks.
>>>>
>>>> The main reason is the the small sails that result from adding the
>>>> second mast are so small and so close together that they mess each
>>>> other up (very unscientific, oversimplified description); when you
>>>> are running or beating... you cannot use the mizzen to advantage so
>>>> are forced to use the much reduced main. The effect is that of
>>>> sailing with three reefs in it all the time the only exception being
>>>> when reaching.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, a ketch or a yawl looks nice, and those rigs do give you
>>>> options with regard to balance... but at a great cost in performance
>>>> in small boats.
>>>>
>>>> Gord
>>>> #426 Surprise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on 9/30/03 8:41 AM, Hiesener, Michael at hiesenerm at stripes.osd.mil
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We bought a new main from North Annapolis last year...one
>>>>> batten...one reef point. Should have probably gotten two reef
>>>>> points for more flexibility. Third reef for sailing on the
>>>>> Chesapeake sounds a bit much....If its that windy I will go with a
>>>>> small headsail only. We have been happy with the North
>>>>> Sail...Reasonable cost to quality ratio.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would think long and hard before changing any of the rigging.
>>>>> You might very well improve the boat but reduce it's value at the
>>>>> same time by making changes that make it illegal as a one design
>>>>> racer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Hiesener
>>>>> Terrapin #254
>>>>> Annapolis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Roger L. Kingsland [mailto:rkingsland101 at ksba.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:52 PM
>>>>> To: Alberg 30 public list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] New Main Sail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in the same stuff to so, other Albergers (how about
>>>>> just a little potato salad), please bring it on. Specifically,
>>>>> does anyone have an opinion as to the number of reefs and their
>>>>> height above the boom. Is two enough or should a third be added
>>>>> for a cheap "storm sail?" Can the reef heights result in mainsail
>>>>> area in balance with the sizes of headsails (150 = full main,130 =
>>>>> first reef, working jib = second reef)?
>>>>>
>>>>> I did get a proposal from North in Annapolis and they suggested
>>>>> only one full length batten (at the top) because the sail track is
>>>>> not able to withstand the heavy loads produced by longer battens.
>>>>> Perhaps your "Strong Slide System" solves that problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have often (well, not really that often) wondered if a ketch rig,
>>>>> with the mizzen mast mounted at the forward end of the cockpit,
>>>>> would work for an A30. With this rig the main boom could be
>>>>> shortened to allow the full benefits of high aspect, full roach
>>>>> (full batten) sails on booth main and mizzen. (I read on the web
>>>>> site that Alberg originally wanted the mast mounted 2 feet aft and
>>>>> had to shorten the mast and lengthen the boom to balance the rig
>>>>> with the mast so far forward.) Also, has anyone tried moving the
>>>>> side stays inboard and mounting the chain plates to the cabin
>>>>> sides?
>>>>> How about a new, taller mast (with a shorter boom) moved aft to
>>>>> the
>>>>> aft head bulkhead (yes Virginia, there are some minor issues with
>>>>> the offset hanging locker bulkhead, but heck, we are already
>>>>> wasting so much money, what's a little more matter)? Really, I am
>>>>> trying to get back into the box, but I can't find it. I know y'all
>>>>> can help. I also guess I would only be eligible to be the committee
>>>>> boat during an A30 race.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Kingsland
>>>>> Chief Financial Officer (AKA, check writer)
>>>>> The Sailing Artist Formally Knows as Mahina Manu, A30 #148
>>>>> N40° 29.288'
>>>>> W79° 54.228'
>>>>>
>>>>> Author's Disclaimer; This email was produced exclusively by the
>>>>> sender and, in the interest of expediency, without the benefit of
>>>>> editing by others. The sender, thank goodness, is a much better
>>>>> architect/sailor than speller/editor and, frankly, constantly
>>>>> laments an obvious flaw in "spell check," it does not know what the
>>>>> author is thinking. Please accept the sender's sincere apologies
>>>>> for any "typos" that may appear in this document. If present, they
>>>>> are certainly unintended and hopefully do not cloud the message, or
>>>>> spawn any unnecessary lawsuits.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Dave Terrell" <DTERRELL at message.nmc.edu>
>>>>> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:31 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Alberg30] New Main Sail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The time has come to get a new main sail for Talisman. I would
>>>>>> like the work to be done locally in Traverse City - so my
>>>>>> question is - what things do I have to watch out for so that the
>>>>>> sail comes out "just right"? Any suggestion about sail cloth? One
>>>>>> sailmaker suggest Contender made by a Dutch company. Another
>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>> Challenge? Any opinions on either of these? I am also planning on
>>>>>> putting on a Strong Slide System. Racing is not going to be my
>>>>>> thing so I am planning on full battens throughout and two reefs -
>>>>>> opinions and suggestions will be appreciated on all these ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David - Talisman #432
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