[Alberg30] New Main Sail
Gordon LACO
mainstay at csolve.net
Tue Sep 30 08:41:13 PDT 2003
on 9/30/03 11:24 AM, Melissa Currier at mcurrier at spinrx.com wrote:
Nice pictures... and I like your hull colour -
Gord
#426 Surprise (blue hull)
> For those who are curious, here are some pictures of Infinity's maiden
> voyage with her new Haarcticks during the 2003 NOOD Regatta in Annapolis
> this past May. You can see the battens and the shapes fairly well in
> these.
>
> http://www.spinrx.com/mel/Infinity.htm
>
>
>> Steve Voorhis 410-263-5028
>> I don't believe they have a booth at the Boat Show, but I'm sure Steve
>> would be willing meet with you if you are coming to town for the Show.
>> He is local.
>>
>> P.S. Steve helped us to decide on 4 battens and 2 reef points. We've
>> had occasion to fly the Main in all three positions. Shape is fabulous.
>>
>>> Who is your contact there AND do they usually attend
>>> the Annapolis Sailboat show?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bill Blevins
>>> Star Directory & Internet director
>>> The Free Lance-Star
>>> 540-368-5055
>>> bblevins at fredericksburg.com
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>>> ##
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/30/03 9:18 AM, "Melissa Currier" <mcurrier at spinrx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One Word: Haarstick
>>>>
>>>> We recently purchased an entire suit of sails from Haarstick and have
>>>> never been more satisfied. They are just gorgeous. Company is based
>>>> in Rochester, NY, but they have local salesfolks here and there and
>>>> around.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com
>>>>
>>>> Melissa Currier -- Infinity #57
>>>>
>>>>> Hello -
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that most would agree that two masted rigs on vessels below
>>>>> 35' loa generally result in a fairly dramatic loss of performance.
>>>>> In the days before good self-steering long distance voyagers used
>>>>> them in their attempts to improve the ability of the boat's
>>>>> naturally self steering... and the result has been residual praise
>>>>> for small ketches and yawls. Doing that to an Alberg will result in
>>>>> a boat that has to motor to windward and is awkward to sail on other
>>>>> tacks.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main reason is the the small sails that result from adding the
>>>>> second mast are so small and so close together that they mess each
>>>>> other up (very unscientific, oversimplified description); when you
>>>>> are running or beating... you cannot use the mizzen to advantage so
>>>>> are forced to use the much reduced main. The effect is that of
>>>>> sailing with three reefs in it all the time the only exception being
>>>>> when reaching.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, a ketch or a yawl looks nice, and those rigs do give you
>>>>> options with regard to balance... but at a great cost in performance
>>>>> in small boats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gord
>>>>> #426 Surprise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> on 9/30/03 8:41 AM, Hiesener, Michael at hiesenerm at stripes.osd.mil
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We bought a new main from North Annapolis last year...one
>>>>>> batten...one reef point. Should have probably gotten two reef
>>>>>> points for more flexibility. Third reef for sailing on the
>>>>>> Chesapeake sounds a bit much....If its that windy I will go with a
>>>>>> small headsail only. We have been happy with the North
>>>>>> Sail...Reasonable cost to quality ratio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would think long and hard before changing any of the rigging.
>>>>>> You might very well improve the boat but reduce it's value at the
>>>>>> same time by making changes that make it illegal as a one design
>>>>>> racer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Hiesener
>>>>>> Terrapin #254
>>>>>> Annapolis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Roger L. Kingsland [mailto:rkingsland101 at ksba.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:52 PM
>>>>>> To: Alberg 30 public list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] New Main Sail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in the same stuff to so, other Albergers (how about
>>>>>> just a little potato salad), please bring it on. Specifically,
>>>>>> does anyone have an opinion as to the number of reefs and their
>>>>>> height above the boom. Is two enough or should a third be added
>>>>>> for a cheap "storm sail?" Can the reef heights result in mainsail
>>>>>> area in balance with the sizes of headsails (150 = full main,130 =
>>>>>> first reef, working jib = second reef)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did get a proposal from North in Annapolis and they suggested
>>>>>> only one full length batten (at the top) because the sail track is
>>>>>> not able to withstand the heavy loads produced by longer battens.
>>>>>> Perhaps your "Strong Slide System" solves that problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have often (well, not really that often) wondered if a ketch rig,
>>>>>> with the mizzen mast mounted at the forward end of the cockpit,
>>>>>> would work for an A30. With this rig the main boom could be
>>>>>> shortened to allow the full benefits of high aspect, full roach
>>>>>> (full batten) sails on booth main and mizzen. (I read on the web
>>>>>> site that Alberg originally wanted the mast mounted 2 feet aft and
>>>>>> had to shorten the mast and lengthen the boom to balance the rig
>>>>>> with the mast so far forward.) Also, has anyone tried moving the
>>>>>> side stays inboard and mounting the chain plates to the cabin
>>>>>> sides?
>>>>>> How about a new, taller mast (with a shorter boom) moved aft to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> aft head bulkhead (yes Virginia, there are some minor issues with
>>>>>> the offset hanging locker bulkhead, but heck, we are already
>>>>>> wasting so much money, what's a little more matter)? Really, I am
>>>>>> trying to get back into the box, but I can't find it. I know y'all
>>>>>> can help. I also guess I would only be eligible to be the committee
>>>>>> boat during an A30 race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Kingsland
>>>>>> Chief Financial Officer (AKA, check writer)
>>>>>> The Sailing Artist Formally Knows as Mahina Manu, A30 #148
>>>>>> N40° 29.288'
>>>>>> W79° 54.228'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Author's Disclaimer; This email was produced exclusively by the
>>>>>> sender and, in the interest of expediency, without the benefit of
>>>>>> editing by others. The sender, thank goodness, is a much better
>>>>>> architect/sailor than speller/editor and, frankly, constantly
>>>>>> laments an obvious flaw in "spell check," it does not know what the
>>>>>> author is thinking. Please accept the sender's sincere apologies
>>>>>> for any "typos" that may appear in this document. If present, they
>>>>>> are certainly unintended and hopefully do not cloud the message, or
>>>>>> spawn any unnecessary lawsuits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Dave Terrell" <DTERRELL at message.nmc.edu>
>>>>>> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:31 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Alberg30] New Main Sail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The time has come to get a new main sail for Talisman. I would
>>>>>>> like the work to be done locally in Traverse City - so my
>>>>>>> question is - what things do I have to watch out for so that the
>>>>>>> sail comes out "just right"? Any suggestion about sail cloth? One
>>>>>>> sailmaker suggest Contender made by a Dutch company. Another
>>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>>> Challenge? Any opinions on either of these? I am also planning on
>>>>>>> putting on a Strong Slide System. Racing is not going to be my
>>>>>>> thing so I am planning on full battens throughout and two reefs -
>>>>>>> opinions and suggestions will be appreciated on all these ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David - Talisman #432
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>>>> Melissa Thompson Currier
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> Melissa Thompson Currier
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