[Public-list] Propane Locker
Roger L. Kingsland
rkingsland101 at ksba.com
Mon Aug 16 12:18:52 PDT 2004
George,
Thanks for reminding me about that pesky insurance stuff. I will check with
my carrier and my surveyor.
Roger
Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
Managing Partner
Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
N40° 27' 49" W79° 57' 59"
3441 Butler Street
Pittsburgh, PA 15201
www.ksba.com
1(412) 252-1500 X101 - Office & Voice Mail
1(412) 779-5101 - Mobile (no voice mail)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "George Dinwiddie" <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Public-list] Propane Locker
> Not for what Roger intends. He's going to add drains to the lazerette
> in order to use it for a propane locker. I have a feeling the insurance
> company is going to frown on this installation, but I'll leav that up to
> his insurance agent.
>
> - George
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:56:32PM -0400, Gordon Laco wrote:
> > Mmmm - that's it. Y'know, I never thought of it before but you could
turn
> > off the the sea cock and that would silence the slurping!
> >
> > Gord
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Gord,
> > >
> > > Do you think I can assume, when the bathtub sound occurs, the air is
being
> > > ventilated (sucked) from the lazarette?
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
> > > Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
> > > Managing Partner
> > > Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
> > > N40° 27' 49" W79° 57' 59"
> > > 3441 Butler Street
> > > Pittsburgh, PA 15201
> > > www.ksba.com
> > >
> > > 1(412) 252-1500 X101 - Office & Voice Mail
> > > 1(412) 779-5101 - Mobile (no voice mail)
> > > 1(412) 252-1510 - Fax
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > > To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Public-list] Propane Locker
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi there Roger -
> > >>
> > >> You can indeed improve the efficiency of the drains by putting aft
facing
> > >> half shells over the outlets...the only problem is they are quite
noisy
> > > when
> > >> the boat is doing more than say 4.5 knots. The sound is like that if
a
> > >> bathtub draining - and it goes on all the time.
> > >>
> > >> Gord 426
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> David,
> > >>>
> > >>> I was wondering if the shape of the air vents on either side of the
> > >>> lazarette might actually promote suction that would ventilate (suck)
> > > even if
> > >>> the vent is under water. I am reminded of the "L" shaped
protrusions
> > > (about
> > >>> 3'' long parallel to the fuselage and sticking out about 1'1/2") on
> > > small
> > >>> planes that I believe are used to measure air speed. It would seem
with
> > > a
> > >>> small hole and water zooming by (relative term) on all sides, the
> > >>> efficiency could be better than those self bailing cockpit drains
you
> > > see on
> > >>> Sunfish. Unfortunately, short of setting up some hit and miss
> > > experiments,
> > >>> I don't know where to research this subject. Any hints?
> > >>>
> > >>> Roger
> > >>>
> > >>> Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
> > >>> Managing Partner
> > >>> Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
> > >>> N40° 27' 49" W79° 57' 59"
> > >>> 3441 Butler Street
> > >>> Pittsburgh, PA 15201
> > >>> www.ksba.com
> > >>>
> > >>> 1(412) 252-1500 X101 - Office & Voice Mail
> > >>> 1(412) 779-5101 - Mobile (no voice mail)
> > >>> 1(412) 252-1510 - Fax
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "David Fisher" <liquid_addiction at hotmail.com>
> > >>> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:09 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Propane Locker
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Jim, do you access your rudder stuffing box (assuming you have one
on
> > > your
> > >>>> boat...) via the lazarette or through the cockpit lockers? this is
the
> > >>> only
> > >>>> concern that really springs to mind there. As to the increased
> > > waterline
> > >>>> when healing and the wake pattern along the hull at speed, would
this
> > > not
> > >>> be
> > >>>> a problem only if the boat was sustaining these attitudes over a
> > > sustained
> > >>>> period, eg. on passage? Even in this case, the behaviour of the
boat
> > >>> should
> > >>>> allow the vents to drain with some regularity; in tacks or just
through
> > >>> her
> > >>>> behavoiur in a sea. If the boat stops at the end of the day, then
the
> > >>>> locker would drain freely then. To me this seems sufficient. Does
> > > anyone
> > >>>> have experience to the contrary?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My idea originally had been to house the bottle in a drum secured
in
> > > the
> > >>>> lazarette which drains via a hose to a through hull at the base of
the
> > >>>> transom. The bottle manufacturers have conspired against me on
this
> > > one,
> > >>>> indicating that it should be stored and used vertically. It's
> > > something I
> > >>>> plan to look into further... The idea of having smaller tanks and
so
> > >>> having
> > >>>> a spare is attractive as it lessens the possibility of running out
just
> > >>> when
> > >>>> the roast's gone in.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> David, Kalitsah 440, Sydney.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From: "Jim Davis" <a30240 at earthlink.net>
> > >>>>> Reply-To: Jim Davis <a30240 at earthlink.net>,Alberg 30 Public
List --
> > > open
> > >>> to
> > >>>>> all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > >>>>> To: "John Belt" <johnrbelt at worldnet.att.net>,"Alberg 30 Public
List --
> > >>> open
> > >>>>> to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Propane Locker
> > >>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:58:47 -0400
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> John
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks for the most concise answer.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Roger
> > >>>>> Also note water will sometimes come up the cockpit scuppers when
> > > heeling.
> > >>>>> For propane you want to be absolutely certain it does vent
overboard
> > > and
> > >>>>> not
> > >>>>> settle to the bilge. Your insurance and the Coast Guard can get
real
> > >>> hyper
> > >>>>> tense over this. Of course if it does blow, you will be part of
> > > someone
> > >>>>> else's problem as your will probably cease quickly.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jim Davis
> > >>>>> S/V Isa Lei
> > >>>>> CT 35
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most
> > >>>>> revolutionary reversal of his record we have ever known.
> > >>>>> George C. Marshall
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: "John Belt" <johnrbelt at worldnet.att.net>
> > >>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
<public-list at alberg30.org>;
> > >>> "Jim
> > >>>>> Davis" <a30240 at earthlink.net>
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 16:29
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Propane Locker
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Has anyone noticed that when a displacement boat goes faster, it
> > >>> squats
> > >>>>> by
> > >>>>>> the stern, submerging any holes in that area that were just a
little
> > >>>>> above
> > >>>>>> the waterline when the boat is at rest? Specifically, the engine
> > >>> exhaust
> > >>>>> on
> > >>>>>> my Alberg 30 was under water when the boat was moving at 6 knots,
> > >>> power
> > >>>>> or
> > >>>>>> sail. That is why the muffler and exhaust pipe had to be routed
to
> > >>> make
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>>> loop as high as possible to keep water from entering the exhaust
line
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>> the engine.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> This would make it pretty hard to put ventilating holes in the
hull
> > >>> for
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>>> propane tank.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> From a former Alberg 30 owner
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
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