[Public-list] Toe Rail

[George Dinwiddie]

Look at http://alberg30.org/pictures/CanAm2002/photo33.html and
http://alberg30.org/pictures/CanAm2002/photo5.html and you'll
see the open taffrail I described.  Maybe that was an option or a
retrofit, but I've seen them on a lot of older boats.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 07:18:39AM -0700, Dan Pinson wrote:
>    This  is  interesting.  Mine is an 'older' boat (1965) but I don't see
>    any  drains  other than the scuppers. Can you or someone post a pic of
>    that?  Also,  my  taffrail  is solid (laminated w/no gaps) rather than
>    what you describe.
>    Thanks,
>    Dan
>    George Dinwiddie wrote on 8/11/2004 7:19 AM:
> 
> My concern is that you'll be creating new problems for yourself trying
> to fix something that "only" lasted 40 years.
> 
> The new boats actually seem to have more drainage problems than the
> older ones, but all of them need some motion to drain all parts of the
> deck.  All the boats I've seen (or, at least, noticed) sit a little low
> in the stern.  Whether that's due to modifications in the design and
> construction (using iron rather than lead ballast, for instance), or out
> propensity to put stuff into the cockpit lockers and lazarette, I don't
> know.
> 
> The older boats have large areas on the taffrail to let the water out.
> This lets them drain much faster than the new boats when underway, but
> it also considerably weakens the structure of the taffrail.  I've seen
> them break under the weight of a foot.
> 
> If you raise the toerail off the deck, you're going to have similar
> problems with sturdiness.
> 
> If you haven't pulled up and rebedded the toerail, there's no chance you
> could have fixed any existing problem with the bedding.  Caulking on the
> outside of a joint is only a temporary stopgap measure--it won't fix
> anything.  I think that problem will go away for a couple decades if you
> rebed well with a good caulk.
> 
> If you're concerned about standing water, you could add extra drains
> under the toerail.  On the older boats, this is easy to do because the
> drains consist of channels on the underside of the toerail.
> 
> Honestly, I think this is a case for "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
> 
>  - George
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 09:55:40PM -0700, Dan Pinson wrote:
>   
> 
>    George,
>    There  are spots on deck - especially aft - that don't drain well when
>    the  boat  is moored. Not pools or water but a some 'spoonfuls' at the
>    base  of  the  rails. Naturally, there is water on the deck under way.
>    So, it seems an uphill battle keeping the rails properly bedded to the
>    deck  and  one another at the joints when they're continually assailed
>    by  water.  By the joints in my taft rail, for example, I believe it's
>    not  the  first problem. On the other hand, my boat is almost 40 years
>    old. The rails surely haven't been replaced at all or too many times.
>    Mostly,  I'm  thinking  if  I  take  them  up - can I improve them (by
>    getting them up of the deck).
>    ..Dan
>     
> 
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