[Public-list] Propane Locker

Mon Aug 16 12:08:09 PDT 2004

Not for what Roger intends.  He's going to add drains to the lazerette
in order to use it for a propane locker.  I have a feeling the insurance
company is going to frown on this installation, but I'll leav that up to
his insurance agent.

 - George

On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:56:32PM -0400, Gordon Laco wrote:
> Mmmm - that's it.  Y'know, I never thought of it before but you could turn
> off the the sea cock and that would silence the slurping!
> 
> Gord
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> > Thanks Gord,
> > 
> > Do you think I can assume, when the bathtub sound occurs, the air is being
> > ventilated (sucked) from the lazarette?
> > 
> > Roger
> > 
> > 
> > Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
> > Managing Partner
> > Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
> > N40° 27' 49"  W79° 57' 59"
> > 3441 Butler Street
> > Pittsburgh, PA 15201
> > www.ksba.com
> > 
> > 1(412) 252-1500 X101 - Office & Voice Mail
> > 1(412) 779-5101 - Mobile (no voice mail)
> > 1(412) 252-1510 - Fax
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Public-list] Propane Locker
> > 
> > 
> >> Hi there Roger -
> >> 
> >> You can indeed improve the efficiency of the drains by putting aft facing
> >> half shells over the outlets...the only problem is they are quite noisy
> > when
> >> the boat is doing more than say 4.5 knots.  The sound is like that if a
> >> bathtub draining - and it goes on all the time.
> >> 
> >> Gord 426
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> David,
> >>> 
> >>> I was wondering if the shape of the air vents on either side of the
> >>> lazarette might actually promote suction that would ventilate (suck)
> > even if
> >>> the vent is under water.  I am reminded of the "L" shaped protrusions
> > (about
> >>> 3'' long parallel to the fuselage and sticking out about 1'1/2") on
> > small
> >>> planes that I believe are used to measure air speed.  It would seem with
> > a
> >>> small hole and water zooming  by (relative term) on all sides, the
> >>> efficiency could be better than those self bailing cockpit drains you
> > see on
> >>> Sunfish.  Unfortunately, short of setting up some hit and miss
> > experiments,
> >>> I don't know where to research this subject.  Any hints?
> >>> 
> >>> Roger
> >>> 
> >>> Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
> >>> Managing Partner
> >>> Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
> >>> N40° 27' 49"  W79° 57' 59"
> >>> 3441 Butler Street
> >>> Pittsburgh, PA 15201
> >>> www.ksba.com
> >>> 
> >>> 1(412) 252-1500 X101 - Office & Voice Mail
> >>> 1(412) 779-5101 - Mobile (no voice mail)
> >>> 1(412) 252-1510 - Fax
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "David Fisher" <liquid_addiction at hotmail.com>
> >>> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:09 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Propane Locker
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Jim, do you access your rudder stuffing box (assuming you have one on
> > your
> >>>> boat...) via the lazarette or through the cockpit lockers?  this is the
> >>> only
> >>>> concern that really springs to mind there.  As to the increased
> > waterline
> >>>> when healing and the wake pattern along the hull at speed, would this
> > not
> >>> be
> >>>> a problem only if the boat was sustaining these attitudes over a
> > sustained
> >>>> period, eg. on passage?  Even in this case, the behaviour of the boat
> >>> should
> >>>> allow the vents to drain with some regularity; in tacks or just through
> >>> her
> >>>> behavoiur in a sea.  If the boat stops at the end of the day, then the
> >>>> locker would drain freely then.  To me this seems sufficient.  Does
> > anyone
> >>>> have experience to the contrary?
> >>>> 
> >>>> My idea originally had been to house the bottle in a drum secured in
> > the
> >>>> lazarette which drains via a hose to a through hull at the base of the
> >>>> transom.  The bottle manufacturers have conspired against me on this
> > one,
> >>>> indicating that it should be stored and used vertically.  It's
> > something I
> >>>> plan to look into further...  The idea of having smaller tanks and so
> >>> having
> >>>> a spare is attractive as it lessens the possibility of running out just
> >>> when
> >>>> the roast's gone in.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> 
> >>>> David, Kalitsah 440, Sydney.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> From: "Jim Davis" <a30240 at earthlink.net>
> >>>>> Reply-To: Jim Davis <a30240 at earthlink.net>,Alberg 30 Public List --
> > open
> >>> to
> >>>>> all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>>>> To: "John Belt" <johnrbelt at worldnet.att.net>,"Alberg 30 Public List --
> >>> open
> >>>>> to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Propane  Locker
> >>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:58:47 -0400
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> John
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks for the most concise answer.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Roger
> >>>>> Also note water will sometimes come up the cockpit scuppers when
> > heeling.
> >>>>> For propane you want to be absolutely certain it does vent overboard
> > and
> >>>>> not
> >>>>> settle to the bilge.  Your insurance and the Coast Guard can get real
> >>> hyper
> >>>>> tense over this.  Of course if it does blow, you will be part of
> > someone
> >>>>> else's problem as your will probably cease quickly.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Jim Davis
> >>>>> S/V Isa Lei
> >>>>> CT 35
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most
> >>>>> revolutionary reversal of his record we have ever known.
> >>>>> George C. Marshall
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "John Belt" <johnrbelt at worldnet.att.net>
> >>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>;
> >>> "Jim
> >>>>> Davis" <a30240 at earthlink.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 16:29
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Propane Locker
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> Has anyone noticed that when a displacement boat goes faster, it
> >>> squats
> >>>>> by
> >>>>>> the stern, submerging any holes in that area that were just a little
> >>>>> above
> >>>>>> the waterline when the boat is at rest? Specifically, the engine
> >>> exhaust
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>> my Alberg 30 was under water when the boat was moving at 6 knots,
> >>> power
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>> sail.  That is why the muffler and exhaust pipe had to be routed to
> >>> make
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> loop as high as possible to keep water from entering the exhaust line
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> the engine.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> This would make it pretty hard to put ventilating holes in the hull
> >>> for
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> propane tank.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> From a former Alberg 30 owner
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
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