In a message dated 6/18/04 8:25:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mainstay at csolve.net writes: We usually have 12 -14 boats on a starting line; a few Kirby 25's (somewhat like J25's to you Yanks) a couple of Tanzers, a flock of 80's racer This southern "yank" had a Kirby 25' as her first boat. Roberta Liddick 1087618267.0