[Public-list] Racing rules

Fri May 7 11:00:07 PDT 2004

Gord,

New rules sound like "the lesser of two weevils."

Roger


> Hi,
>
> The revised rules were designed to attempt to remove the edge from the
> battles of wills that the old rules used to seem to encourage.  Nowadays
if
> you push a right of way - even if you are in the right - to the point of
> contact, you are disqualified yourself; unless you take your lumps and do
a
> 360 or 720.
>
>
>
>
> > I seem to recall from my racing days, leward boat first announces the
> > overlap just before screaming,  "coming up, coming up, coming up, get
out of
> > my way or call your insurance broker."
> >
> >
> >> Interesting case...
> >>
> >> I would say that you were within your rights as windward boat to hold
your
> >> course if all they did was call for room but not make a move to take
it.
> >> Even if you sagged down on them a little you are OK if they do not make
a
> >> move to take their room back.
> >>
> >> I was trained to do that in crowded starts...my instructor, an
ex-Olympic
> >> Finn sailor called it "using your elbows to make room".  He suggested
> > making
> >> room to weather by calling for it and swooping up under a boat to
> > windward;
> >> then edge down a little on the boat to leeward - but only until they
> > noticed
> >> and reacted at which point you crowd the boat to weather again.
> >>
> >> This sort of thing only becomes unethical if you press rights (on the
boat
> >> to leeward) that you don't have by ignoring their rightful attempt to
take
> >> back room.
> >>
> >> The danger is that the boat to leeward can protest (as he did) knowing
> > that
> >> in the protest court he is the one who walks in with the halo already
> >> shining.  I'll bet the swoop to leeward was theatrical to underline
hurt
> >> feelings.  The "port tack" error you mention underlines that he might
be a
> >> less experienced sailor and took what he felt was "too close" (10' is a
> >> mile) as personal and aggressive.
> >>
> >> On another area - we race up here under the "new" IYRU rules that don't
> >> automatically disqualify a boat in a protest situation anymore.  Are
you
> >> familiar with the change a few years ago?  If in doubt you can clear
the
> >> slate with a 360 before the end of the race.
> >>
> >> Our first race is in a couple of weeks - ol'Surprise was brought home
to
> > the
> >> Club from the marina yesterday and our first practice may be Sunday.
> > Can't
> >> wait.
> >>
> >> Gord #426 Surprise
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> This actually happened about 1 boat length below the line because when
> > we
> >>> headed up, we crossed the starting line at +1 second.
> >>>
> >>> This was Sunday a few weeks ago in a Bay high point round the bouys
> > race.
> >>> Winds were 18-20 and 3 foot waves on the line. At the moment since we
> > lost
> >>> the protest, we are DSQ. Protest notwithstanding, we actually won the
> > race
> >>> by several minutes.
> >>>
> >>> Their protest centered on their claim that we came down on them
instead
> > of
> >>> remaining on our heading or coming up as requested.
> >>>
> >>> We printed out the GPS track showing headings, speed and time of day
for
> > the
> >>> protest committee that showed we never altered course until after
their
> >>> protest and we were heading up to start (they were bearing away at
that
> >>> point, then came back up and crossed at the pin end of the line).
> >>>
> >>> Their protest form said we were on PORT tack too. They didn't even
know
> > what
> >>> tack they were on.
> >>>
> >>> It ended with a QUOTE: "they do this kind of thing on the starting
line
> > all
> >>> of the time and we were fed up".
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Bill Blevins <billblevins at mac.com>
> >>>> Reply-To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>>> Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 07:59:33 -0400
> >>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Racing rules
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure. No obstruction, no other boats on the line in front of
them.
> > We
> >>>> both were in the middle of the line and about 2 boat lengths below it
> > when
> >>>> they bore off. The windward boat was a 36 footer and the leeward boat
> > was a
> >>>> 28 footer. The leeward boat was in bad air at that time and probably
> >>>> couldn't have come up much without the windward boat driving right
over
> >>>> them.
> >>>>
> >>>> (Now you know I was the windward boat. I didn't come up when they
> > called for
> >>>> room because they still had 10-15 feet. We were on the winches ready
to
> > come
> >>>> up when they started, but they maintained their position. We lost the
> >>>> protest at SMSA on Wednesday and are appealing to CBYRA.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca>
> >>>>> Reply-To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>>>> Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 07:52:27 -0400
> >>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Racing rules
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Data insufficient - Why did the leeward boat bearoff, obstruction,
ran
> > out
> >>>>> the line, other ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Bill Blevins" <billblevins at mac.com>
> >>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
<public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:44 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [Public-list] Racing rules
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 5 SECONDS TO START: Two boats sail on a starboard close reach are
> > running
> >>>>>> the starting line. Leeward boat has established overlap. Separation
> >>>>> between
> >>>>>> boats is 10-15 feet. Windward boat is sailing slightly faster.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 10 SECONDS TO START: Positions are still about the same when the
> > leeward
> >>>>>> boat calls for room to head up but doesn't alter course,
maintaining
> >>>>>> position 10-15 feet below the windward boat.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 5 SECONDS TO START: Positions remain about the same with 10-15 feet
> >>>>>> separation and leeward boat overlapped with their bow abeam of the
> >>>>> windward
> >>>>>> boat. Windward boat is protested by the leeward boat for not coming
> > up.
> >>>>>> Leeward boat bears off dramatically and the windward boat heads up
to
> > the
> >>>>>> starting line and has a clean start.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Valid protest?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
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