[Public-list] Rudder Repair - New Method - Advice Welcome

Wed Sep 29 12:47:58 PDT 2004

You may have made my day! I emailed New Found Metals and will keep the board posted. Thanks again and take care.

Austin
#365

"sousa, stephen (ENG)" <sousa_stephen at emc.com> wrote:
Austin,

I had to remove a little glass from the rudder at the attachement point
(quite thick at the attachment point), the hull was fine and never touched.
These are silicon bronze and when new can be bent easily to meet the
configuration required. Once they were lined up on the hull and rudder, I
drilled holes in the fittings for bronze bolts and then match drilled the
rudder and deadwood. 

I cannot give you exact measurements or photos since the Alberg is in the
water at this time. These folks make nice bronze fittings. I would expect
these will outlast my lifetime, since the fittings from Whitby which were
work hardened (stress cracks)lasted from 1965 to 1997. 

Rick can fax drawing of fittings on file which can be matched up to the
Alberg set. This is the method used drawing the conclusion that the Dana 25
was close. 

Stephen
#114

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Thank you for welcoming me. What do you have to do to use the Dana 25
assembly on the Alberg?

Austin

"sousa, stephen (ENG)" wrote:
Austin,

One of the places that you can find bronze pintel/gudgeons for the Alberg is
at New Found Metals in Port Townsend, WA phone number 1-888-437-5512. The
fittings from the Pacific Seacraft Dana 25 are very close to ours, you will
need to rework the rudder a little. 

I installed a set in 1997 and never had a problem. His fittings have a nylon
sleeve which wears and can be replaced. These units have a 5/8" pin and are
very well made. I think the owner is Rick, good to work with and very
helpful.

I would not use stainless under water for this application. They end up with
crevis corrosion and degrade internally.

Best of luck with your new Alberg and welcome to the family.

Stephen
#114 

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Thank you for the congrats. We love the boat and she just needs a little bit
of work.

The sleeve would be 8.5" long and slid up over the stock. The vanes would
run the length of the sleeve and then extend 6" out on either side of the
rudder (sleeve and vanes would be bronze). I would then through bolt
(offset) four times. 

The rudder is wood coated in fiberglass. 

The pins sheared at the point of connection with the stock. Supposedly they
were bronze but I don't know. 

Mike Connelly mentioned that he would not trust an exopy resin due to the
torque (with regard to adhereing the sleeve to the stock). I don't know
enought to agree or disagree, but the torque would be displaced over the
total area of the epoxy bond. If epoxy total covered the area between the
stock and the sleeve, I would think there wouldn't be an issue. 

Your thoughts?

Austin

nwiddie wrote:
First of all, congratulations on your new boat.

As for the gudgeon, the originals were generally sand-cast bronze. If you
look at http://www.alberg30.org/maintenance/Steering/Gudgeons/
you'll see both a cast and a welded gudgeon. You can also machine one, but I
think the best solution would be to have one cast. Phil Beigel has had
rudder shoes cast and could tell you where you can get it done. In fact, it
might be good to get a small supply cast at one time.

As for the rudder stock, please describe your setup in more detail. Whitby
has used a number of different arrangements over the years. A couple of
these are mentioned in the Alberg 30 Maintenance Manual.

Do you have a wooden or fiberglass rudder? Where are the pins that are
sheared?

I don't know of any A30's with zincs on the rudder. It's not normally a
problem. Even the pin into the rudder shoe usually wears before it corrodes
off.

- George

On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 07:08:41AM -0700, Austin Meyermann wrote:
> Hello to all!
> 
> I am the new owner of Inherit the Wind (formerly owned my Mike
> McGovern). I bought her last May and sailed her from Green Point to 
> Young's Boatyard. On that note, that was my first time captaining a 
> sailboat, my only crew was a friend who had never sailed, and we got 
> into enough wind to take in a reef on the main! But what a day!! We 
> had a blast and she sailed great.
> 
> I have sailed her most of this year with gear in marginal shape. I
> figured that this year was my year to sail all that I could and I 
> could fix anything over winter.....well, I did not make it to winter.
> 
> A month ago, I left my slip and was motoring down the channel when I
> lost steerage. This resulted in a swim to shore, a tow from Phil (the 
> owner of Young's and a great guy), and a haul out.
> 
> The 1/4" pins that attach the rudder stock to the rudder had sheared
> (no zincs below the waterline). Additionally, the gudgeon that 
> attaches to pintle in the rudder was cracked...stainless steel bolts 
> through the bronze....again no zincs.
> 
> So....this leaves me now with a fun project. Please advise on fixing
> the gudgeon, I know these are not a off the shelf item (far from it). 
> Should I get a new one machined (don't want to because I think that it 
> would be expensive)?
> 
> With regard to the other problem with the pins, I think that I have a
> novel solution. I am going to install a sleeve (1.25" ID) over the 
> rudder stock (1.25" OD) and on that sleeve I am going to weld 2 vanes. 
> The vanes will hug the rudder on both sides and I will cross bolt 
> through the vanes and rudder. To attach the sleeve to the rudder 
> stock, I will use epoxy. The vans should displace the force over the 
> length of the welded on the sleeve and give superior strength to the 
> traditional .25" pins.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> I look forward to hearing from and meeting you all soon!!!
> 
> 
> Austin & Lucy Meyermann #365 Inherit the Wind
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