[Public-list] Original gatevalve sizes

[Gordon Laco]

Hello Jack!

I must have forgotten that you are so close!  Where in the yard is your
boat?  Mine is wintering to the right (coming in from the road) along the
cedar hedge.  We have a blue Bayfield 32 beside us - same colour scheme as
ours but what a diff! (wide and shallow vs narrow and deep)  We sail in the
summer out of Midland Bay Sailing Club.

Yes, I got the valves from St Amant - nice people.  I will gladly show you
what we have done when we can both be there at the same time.  Maybe it
would be very advantageous to do two boats - I would prefer to bring someone
like Dennis Fernis or Robin McKie up than, well, I like to deal with
surveyors who I feel know at least as much about the boats and their systems
as I do.

I am going over seas to shoot a documentary Monday but will be back April
14.  (this one is about survival techniques in life rafts)

We hope to launch two or three weeks after that.  My plan was to do the
survey once the through hulls and some wiring work was done.  Let's talk, do
you mind waiting until after my trip?

Gord #426 Surprise






> Gord,
> 
> I'm 'round the corner in Penetang - Dutchman's Cove. No slip; winter
> there, then cruise 2-3 months full time.
> 
> Would that commercial plumbing supplier be St. Amant's, by any chance?
> 
> Will be down on April 20/21 to drop off new cushions and other bulky
> items before swinging down to Guelph to pick up my daughter from
> university.  Back in mid-May for much needed project work (and noted
> survey) and launch mid-June.  Superior, to Thunder Bay, is in the plans.
> (Tested Whitefish Bay last year.)
> 
> Back on topic, could one mate a bronze thru-hull with a brass ball-valve
> with some semblance of expectations of safety/durability?
> 
> Cheers
> Jack
> 
> 
> Gordon Laco wrote:
> 
>> Hello Jack -
>> 
>> I am with Eclisiastical and Larry Fraser is my broker.  I was with Robertson
>> & Robertson years ago  in my wooden boat days but found a better deal
>> through a diff broker.
>> 
>> I have not yet settled on a surveyor - I forget where you are.  I am in
>> Midland on Georgian Bay.
>> 
>> Gord
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Thanks for taking the time to do this, Gord - what with being upside
>>> down, in wet snow and all!
>>> 
>>> The irony is that I'm doing the same job for the same reason.  You
>>> perchance also with Robertson & Robertson?  Must have mass-mailed the
>>> call for updated surveys.  (BTW, am I correct in assuming the survey is
>>> yet to be done?  Who are you lining up?  Perhaps we can get a twofer, or
>>> some such deal.)
>>> 
>>> Where did you source your ball-valves, thru-hulls, locking rings and/or
>>> nipples?  And, were you concerned about the bronze/brass issue?
>>> 
>>> I did some research in the alberg30.org archives and noted that Taylor
>>> Echlin (#612) had also gone through the experience recently ... with
>>> some interesting observations on the re-use of thru-hulls, backing
>>> plates and locking rings.
>>> http://www.alberg30.org/pipermail/public-list/2004-June/000531.html
>>> 
>>> Jack
>>> Aldabi KC641
>>> 
>>> Gordon Laco wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi Jack - 
>>>> 
>>>> I am in the middle of that job now.  I got a note from my marine insurer
>>>> that this year I need a survey so decided to bite the bullet and change
>>>> over
>>>> from gate valves to ball valves.  Fairly horrible miserable job esp the
>>>> cockpit drains and the scupper hoses... Besides the little flim flam with
>>>> the changing diameter, we found that the ball cocks are taller than the
>>>> gate
>>>> valves.  What that meant was cutting the longitudinal bulkhead to allow the
>>>> scupper hoses to come in at the right angle.  Then came the ordeal of
>>>> trying
>>>> to push the hoses onto the new hose barbs while upside down in the cockpit
>>>> lockers, with wet snow falling on us.. Etc etc
>>>> 
>>>> But, the job had to be done.
>>>> 
>>>> Here is what was in my #426:
>>>> 
>>>> Engine cooling intake - 1/2"
>>>> 
>>>> Cockpit drains - 1" through hulls, but 1 1/4" hoses (did you hear cursing
>>>> coming from the north the day I discovered that?)
>>>> 
>>>> Sink intake - was 3/8", I changed it to 1/2" (that one was one of those
>>>> 'fake' through hulls Whitby used and I changed it)
>>>> 
>>>> Sink drain - 1" and I kept to that size
>>>> 
>>>> Head intake - was 3/8" and we went to 1/2"
>>>> 
>>>> Head overboard... Being a Great Lakes boat we don't have one of those.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers - Gord #426 Suprise
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone gone through a recent gate-valve to ball-valve/seacock
>>>>> conversion, i.e., from the original gate-valves on a liner-vintage A30
>>>>> (1977, 1978)?
>>>>> 
>>>>> My boat is about 500km/300mi from home, so I'd like to document the
>>>>> existing arrangement for planning/costing purposes while the water is
>>>>> still hard.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aside from the engine discharge, what are the nominal sizes of the
>>>>> following original GATE-valves:
>>>>> Cockpit/deck drains
>>>>> Engine cooling intake
>>>>> Sink intake
>>>>> Sink discharge
>>>>> Heads intake
>>>>> Heads overboard discharge
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jack
>>>>> Aldabi KC641
>>>>> 
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