[Public-list] Original gatevalve sizes

Sun Apr 3 19:31:28 PDT 2005

Gord,
Agree that we should be able to do better, but let's take this aspect 
offline.
Cheers
Jack

Gordon Laco wrote:

> HI Jack - 
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> Isn't Bob a decent guy?
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> Re threads - we have had no problem with them - I have some brass ball cocks
> that I used last year with no difficulty.
> 
> I got a quote from Burke of Barrie - nearly $500 which I thought was high.
> 
> Gord
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>>Gord,
>>
>>I've got the best seat in the house; right outside Bob Green's bedroom
>>window at the Dutch gable end of the building.  Superb security, to say
>>the least!
>>
>>Roger on viewing your installation; always glad to learn tips and
>>tricks.  BTW, I definitely do have a direct overboard head discharge
>>fiting (disengaged and frozen solid) - the hose IS rigged to my holding
>>tank.
>>
>>Re. surveyors: Burke, out of Barrie, was the only name offered to me so
>>far.  Would gladly defer to your choice in a simultaneous effort, as I
>>have not contacted him yet.  I, too, want to be there for the survey;
>>how does aiming for the 20th/21st fit in with your remaining work?
>>
>>Cheers
>>Jack
>>P.S. Thanks, Stephen, for the heads up on the threads.  Will obviously
>>need to explore this issue much further!  Do Buck Algonquin only quote
>>prices at point of order?
>>J.
>>
>>Gordon Laco wrote:
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>>>Hello Jack!
>>>
>>>I must have forgotten that you are so close!  Where in the yard is your
>>>boat?  Mine is wintering to the right (coming in from the road) along the
>>>cedar hedge.  We have a blue Bayfield 32 beside us - same colour scheme as
>>>ours but what a diff! (wide and shallow vs narrow and deep)  We sail in the
>>>summer out of Midland Bay Sailing Club.
>>>
>>>Yes, I got the valves from St Amant - nice people.  I will gladly show you
>>>what we have done when we can both be there at the same time.  Maybe it
>>>would be very advantageous to do two boats - I would prefer to bring someone
>>>like Dennis Fernis or Robin McKie up than, well, I like to deal with
>>>surveyors who I feel know at least as much about the boats and their systems
>>>as I do.
>>>
>>>I am going over seas to shoot a documentary Monday but will be back April
>>>14.  (this one is about survival techniques in life rafts)
>>>
>>>We hope to launch two or three weeks after that.  My plan was to do the
>>>survey once the through hulls and some wiring work was done.  Let's talk, do
>>>you mind waiting until after my trip?
>>>
>>>Gord #426 Surprise
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>>>>Gord,
>>>>
>>>>I'm 'round the corner in Penetang - Dutchman's Cove. No slip; winter
>>>>there, then cruise 2-3 months full time.
>>>>
>>>>Would that commercial plumbing supplier be St. Amant's, by any chance?
>>>>
>>>>Will be down on April 20/21 to drop off new cushions and other bulky
>>>>items before swinging down to Guelph to pick up my daughter from
>>>>university.  Back in mid-May for much needed project work (and noted
>>>>survey) and launch mid-June.  Superior, to Thunder Bay, is in the plans.
>>>>(Tested Whitefish Bay last year.)
>>>>
>>>>Back on topic, could one mate a bronze thru-hull with a brass ball-valve
>>>>with some semblance of expectations of safety/durability?
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Jack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hello Jack -
>>>>>
>>>>>I am with Eclisiastical and Larry Fraser is my broker.  I was with
>>>>>Robertson
>>>>>& Robertson years ago  in my wooden boat days but found a better deal
>>>>>through a diff broker.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have not yet settled on a surveyor - I forget where you are.  I am in
>>>>>Midland on Georgian Bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gord
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>>>>>>Thanks for taking the time to do this, Gord - what with being upside
>>>>>>down, in wet snow and all!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The irony is that I'm doing the same job for the same reason.  You
>>>>>>perchance also with Robertson & Robertson?  Must have mass-mailed the
>>>>>>call for updated surveys.  (BTW, am I correct in assuming the survey is
>>>>>>yet to be done?  Who are you lining up?  Perhaps we can get a twofer, or
>>>>>>some such deal.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where did you source your ball-valves, thru-hulls, locking rings and/or
>>>>>>nipples?  And, were you concerned about the bronze/brass issue?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I did some research in the alberg30.org archives and noted that Taylor
>>>>>>Echlin (#612) had also gone through the experience recently ... with
>>>>>>some interesting observations on the re-use of thru-hulls, backing
>>>>>>plates and locking rings.
>>>>>>http://www.alberg30.org/pipermail/public-list/2004-June/000531.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jack
>>>>>>Aldabi KC641
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Jack - 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am in the middle of that job now.  I got a note from my marine insurer
>>>>>>>that this year I need a survey so decided to bite the bullet and change
>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>from gate valves to ball valves.  Fairly horrible miserable job esp the
>>>>>>>cockpit drains and the scupper hoses... Besides the little flim flam with
>>>>>>>the changing diameter, we found that the ball cocks are taller than the
>>>>>>>gate
>>>>>>>valves.  What that meant was cutting the longitudinal bulkhead to allow
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>scupper hoses to come in at the right angle.  Then came the ordeal of
>>>>>>>trying
>>>>>>>to push the hoses onto the new hose barbs while upside down in the
>>>>>>>cockpit
>>>>>>>lockers, with wet snow falling on us.. Etc etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But, the job had to be done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here is what was in my #426:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Engine cooling intake - 1/2"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cockpit drains - 1" through hulls, but 1 1/4" hoses (did you hear cursing
>>>>>>>coming from the north the day I discovered that?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sink intake - was 3/8", I changed it to 1/2" (that one was one of those
>>>>>>>'fake' through hulls Whitby used and I changed it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sink drain - 1" and I kept to that size
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Head intake - was 3/8" and we went to 1/2"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Head overboard... Being a Great Lakes boat we don't have one of those.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers - Gord #426 Suprise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Has anyone gone through a recent gate-valve to ball-valve/seacock
>>>>>>>>conversion, i.e., from the original gate-valves on a liner-vintage A30
>>>>>>>>(1977, 1978)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My boat is about 500km/300mi from home, so I'd like to document the
>>>>>>>>existing arrangement for planning/costing purposes while the water is
>>>>>>>>still hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Aside from the engine discharge, what are the nominal sizes of the
>>>>>>>>following original GATE-valves:
>>>>>>>>Cockpit/deck drains
>>>>>>>>Engine cooling intake
>>>>>>>>Sink intake
>>>>>>>>Sink discharge
>>>>>>>>Heads intake
>>>>>>>>Heads overboard discharge
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jack
>>>>>>>>Aldabi KC641
>>>>>>>>
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