[Public-list] Original gatevalve sizes
Gordon Laco
mainstay at csolve.net
Sun Apr 3 17:02:12 PDT 2005
HI Jack -
Isn't Bob a decent guy?
Re threads - we have had no problem with them - I have some brass ball cocks
that I used last year with no difficulty.
I got a quote from Burke of Barrie - nearly $500 which I thought was high.
Gord
> Gord,
>
> I've got the best seat in the house; right outside Bob Green's bedroom
> window at the Dutch gable end of the building. Superb security, to say
> the least!
>
> Roger on viewing your installation; always glad to learn tips and
> tricks. BTW, I definitely do have a direct overboard head discharge
> fiting (disengaged and frozen solid) - the hose IS rigged to my holding
> tank.
>
> Re. surveyors: Burke, out of Barrie, was the only name offered to me so
> far. Would gladly defer to your choice in a simultaneous effort, as I
> have not contacted him yet. I, too, want to be there for the survey;
> how does aiming for the 20th/21st fit in with your remaining work?
>
> Cheers
> Jack
> P.S. Thanks, Stephen, for the heads up on the threads. Will obviously
> need to explore this issue much further! Do Buck Algonquin only quote
> prices at point of order?
> J.
>
> Gordon Laco wrote:
>
>> Hello Jack!
>>
>> I must have forgotten that you are so close! Where in the yard is your
>> boat? Mine is wintering to the right (coming in from the road) along the
>> cedar hedge. We have a blue Bayfield 32 beside us - same colour scheme as
>> ours but what a diff! (wide and shallow vs narrow and deep) We sail in the
>> summer out of Midland Bay Sailing Club.
>>
>> Yes, I got the valves from St Amant - nice people. I will gladly show you
>> what we have done when we can both be there at the same time. Maybe it
>> would be very advantageous to do two boats - I would prefer to bring someone
>> like Dennis Fernis or Robin McKie up than, well, I like to deal with
>> surveyors who I feel know at least as much about the boats and their systems
>> as I do.
>>
>> I am going over seas to shoot a documentary Monday but will be back April
>> 14. (this one is about survival techniques in life rafts)
>>
>> We hope to launch two or three weeks after that. My plan was to do the
>> survey once the through hulls and some wiring work was done. Let's talk, do
>> you mind waiting until after my trip?
>>
>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Gord,
>>>
>>> I'm 'round the corner in Penetang - Dutchman's Cove. No slip; winter
>>> there, then cruise 2-3 months full time.
>>>
>>> Would that commercial plumbing supplier be St. Amant's, by any chance?
>>>
>>> Will be down on April 20/21 to drop off new cushions and other bulky
>>> items before swinging down to Guelph to pick up my daughter from
>>> university. Back in mid-May for much needed project work (and noted
>>> survey) and launch mid-June. Superior, to Thunder Bay, is in the plans.
>>> (Tested Whitefish Bay last year.)
>>>
>>> Back on topic, could one mate a bronze thru-hull with a brass ball-valve
>>> with some semblance of expectations of safety/durability?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>> Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Jack -
>>>>
>>>> I am with Eclisiastical and Larry Fraser is my broker. I was with
>>>> Robertson
>>>> & Robertson years ago in my wooden boat days but found a better deal
>>>> through a diff broker.
>>>>
>>>> I have not yet settled on a surveyor - I forget where you are. I am in
>>>> Midland on Georgian Bay.
>>>>
>>>> Gord
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for taking the time to do this, Gord - what with being upside
>>>>> down, in wet snow and all!
>>>>>
>>>>> The irony is that I'm doing the same job for the same reason. You
>>>>> perchance also with Robertson & Robertson? Must have mass-mailed the
>>>>> call for updated surveys. (BTW, am I correct in assuming the survey is
>>>>> yet to be done? Who are you lining up? Perhaps we can get a twofer, or
>>>>> some such deal.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did you source your ball-valves, thru-hulls, locking rings and/or
>>>>> nipples? And, were you concerned about the bronze/brass issue?
>>>>>
>>>>> I did some research in the alberg30.org archives and noted that Taylor
>>>>> Echlin (#612) had also gone through the experience recently ... with
>>>>> some interesting observations on the re-use of thru-hulls, backing
>>>>> plates and locking rings.
>>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/pipermail/public-list/2004-June/000531.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack
>>>>> Aldabi KC641
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jack -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am in the middle of that job now. I got a note from my marine insurer
>>>>>> that this year I need a survey so decided to bite the bullet and change
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> from gate valves to ball valves. Fairly horrible miserable job esp the
>>>>>> cockpit drains and the scupper hoses... Besides the little flim flam with
>>>>>> the changing diameter, we found that the ball cocks are taller than the
>>>>>> gate
>>>>>> valves. What that meant was cutting the longitudinal bulkhead to allow
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> scupper hoses to come in at the right angle. Then came the ordeal of
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to push the hoses onto the new hose barbs while upside down in the
>>>>>> cockpit
>>>>>> lockers, with wet snow falling on us.. Etc etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, the job had to be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is what was in my #426:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Engine cooling intake - 1/2"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cockpit drains - 1" through hulls, but 1 1/4" hoses (did you hear cursing
>>>>>> coming from the north the day I discovered that?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sink intake - was 3/8", I changed it to 1/2" (that one was one of those
>>>>>> 'fake' through hulls Whitby used and I changed it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sink drain - 1" and I kept to that size
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Head intake - was 3/8" and we went to 1/2"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Head overboard... Being a Great Lakes boat we don't have one of those.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers - Gord #426 Suprise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone gone through a recent gate-valve to ball-valve/seacock
>>>>>>> conversion, i.e., from the original gate-valves on a liner-vintage A30
>>>>>>> (1977, 1978)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My boat is about 500km/300mi from home, so I'd like to document the
>>>>>>> existing arrangement for planning/costing purposes while the water is
>>>>>>> still hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aside from the engine discharge, what are the nominal sizes of the
>>>>>>> following original GATE-valves:
>>>>>>> Cockpit/deck drains
>>>>>>> Engine cooling intake
>>>>>>> Sink intake
>>>>>>> Sink discharge
>>>>>>> Heads intake
>>>>>>> Heads overboard discharge
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jack
>>>>>>> Aldabi KC641
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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