[Public-list] Rudder cracked, Green Stains down the hull?

[Bob Crinion]

Hi Mike,

In your rely you mentioned the green stains...

Is this a result of someone trying to adjust the rudder post packing (hull
560) and cracking the glassed area around the rudder post gland?

I have checked/looked at the rudder post gland, it and appears not to be
leaking but somewhere around it is leaking. This is just a guess on my part.

It is one annoying slow leak that came with the boat.
I have not touched this since I bought the boat for fear of opening a can of
worms. 
Thing is, it should be fixed, I want to fix it. How does one fix/tackle that
one?

Thanks
-bob
A30 #560



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Subject: Re: [Public-list] Rudder cracked

There are variations on how the rudder is attached. It changed several times

over the years of production. On Patty's boat #461 the rudder is attached 
with a gudgeon mid-rudder and shoe at the bottom f the keel. I think they 
are all the same in that regard. Where the boats differ is the constrution 
on the rudder itself. The rudder stock on #461 is imbedded in the fiberglass

and extends up throught the cockpit sole. There is no way, short of cutting 
up the rudder, to separate the stock from the rudder. As the rudder stock 
passes through the hull, it goes through a tube which is glassed into the 
hull on the inside of the boat and has a packing nut inside, between the 
hull and the cockpit sole. The older boats have a fiberglass tube that 
conncets the sole to the hull. In the older boats, as the boat moves through

the water, especially under power, the water rises through the tube and wets

the cockpit sole. This is why it is not uncommon to find delamination of the

sole in the older boats and why the change was made to put a packing nut on 
a bronze tube in more recent boats. Now, I dare you to try to repack that 
packing box on the newer boats, it is virtually impossible. That is why you 
see green stains coming down the inside of the hull behind the engine. Hope 
this helps. Let's all keep in mind that the construction of the boats 
changed over the years and a fix for hull #22 would not necessarily work on 
hull number 500. It make it important to stte your hull number when posting 
a problem for advice.



Mike Lehman
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----Original Message Follows----
From: Jonathan Whittingham <whittle at shaw.ca>
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Subject: Re: [Public-list] Rudder cracked
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:03:44 -0800


Dear Listers,
                  How exactly is the rudder connected to the pipe that runs 
up to the helm? Mine seems to be attached to two deep flanges that are 
bolted to the cheeks of the rudder. If that is all that holds the thing in 
place, could one perhaps simply unbolt the flanges and slip the rudder out 
without having to dig a pit under the whole thing? Regards Jonathan.

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>Mike Lehman
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>From: Timbuktu5555 at webtv.net (Patty J)
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>To: public-list at alberg30.org
>Subject: [Public-list] Rudder cracked
>Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:34:47 -0600
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>After hauling my boat and having it blocked on land I have discovered a
>crack right down the middle of the rudder along the rudder post.  Is it
>easily possible to take the rudder off without having to lift the boat
>or must the boat be lifted?  Also, what is the best way to repair this
>problem?  The yard wants to charge me $1,870 to do this and put me back
>in the water.  I was wondering if I could simply sand the rudder out
>about half way from the post, slap some fiberglass on it, paint it and
>be done with it.  It looks like this could be done with the rudder in
>place.
>
>Patty
>Timbuktu 461
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