[Public-list] Lazyjacks

Jay Davenport jay at saildriver.com
Sun Jan 8 16:29:56 PST 2006 

You could be right Gord. This is the first new mainsail I have had on Revolution. But I think there is more to it than that. When I sail very close to the wind with the new full batten sail, it never loses shape until I am almost head to wind. My old sail would begin luffing much earlier. As a result, when I am motor sailing into the wind, which I don't find to be an unusual circumstance on the Chesapeake, my mainsail is filled, shaped, and rarely luffing. I am very happy with it.
   
  Jay 

Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
  I think that is true only when comparing an old regular main with a new or
newly battened main. A main with 'traditional' battens should perform
better over a wider range of conditions and last longer.

Gord 426






> One of the big advantages is that I can sail closer to the wind without losing
> power in the main.
> 
> Jay
> 
> Gordon Laco wrote:
> What advantages do full battens give you?
> 
> Gord #426
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Revolution, I have lazy jacks, a full battened sail (actually 3 full & 1
>> partial battens), and the Strong mainsail slide system. Overall I am very
>> happy with it.
>> 
>> My original lazy jacks were Harken, but I disliked how they were engineered
>> (attached at the mast, adjusted on the boom), so I replaced them with home
>> made. It was a significant improvement, but lazy jacks of any kind have
>> disadvantages. At some point, I am going to try the Dutchman system Bob Kirk
>> mentioned. I have heard good things about them, and I particularly like the
>> idea that they don't have to be stowed and they don't interfere with raising
>> the sail.
>> 
>> The full battened sail was a good move, with no downsides as long as you have
>> articulated batten pockets on the sail.
>> 
>> The Strong mainsail slide and articulated batten pocket system is
>> outstanding.
>> The sail raises easier from the cockpit, and it drops like an elevator when
>> the halyard is released. I find that very important when single-handing.
>> 
>> Jay Davenport
>> Revolution, A30 #526
>> 
>> Gordon Laco wrote:
>> Cool - should be no problem then. You may be able to do away with the lazy
>> jacks.
>> 
>> Gord #426 Surprise
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> They do - Schaeffer thinks of everything. The weee lazyjack blocks are Hoit
>>> Allen's by the way
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gordon Laco"
>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Lazyjacks
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Ah - batten cars! they may be a problem unless they allow the batten to
>>>> roll on a ball joint.
>>>> 
>>>> Gord
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I would have thought full battens would be twisted into pretzels doing
>>>>> that,
>>>>> mine are on Schaeffer slide cars. Since it works for you I will have to
>>>>> try
>>>>> it - would be nice to get away from the lazy strings. By the way I use
>>>>> small
>>>>> Laser plastic dinghy blocks on the lasyjacks - got a great deal on them
>>>>> in
>>>>> Kingston Ontario during CORK a few years back - normally $9 each, I got
>>>>> them
>>>>> for $1.50 have 3 per side - no wear on the sail, they weigh boo all and
>>>>> they
>>>>> really help align the jacks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe your system will work for me - then I can redeploy them to
>>>>> something
>>>>> else - spinnaker blocks for an A-37 perhaps ; )
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Gord.
>>>>> As always,
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Gordon Laco"
>>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> 
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Lazyjacks
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Interesting Gord - does it work with full battens?
>>>>>>> Thx.
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Gordon Laco"
>>>>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> 
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:41 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Lazyjacks
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi there -
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Rather than lazy jacks, we use a technique to control the mains'l when
>>>>>>>> single or short handed that goes as follows...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When ready to dump the main, we ease the halyard while hauling in on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> clew line of the first reef. We don't snug it tight, just enough to
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> trough of the bunt of the sail up to the first reef. It is then
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>> to let the rest of the main fall (with some help pulling on the luff)
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> the trough. To help guide the sail in, when standing at the halyard
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> mast you grab the tack end of the first reef as it goes by and hold it
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> opening the trough and giving it a toss now and again to flip the sail
>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When it is all down, you can roll the sail onto the top of the boom.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> trough is held up at the outboard end by the reef line - the effect is
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> you have a guy there holding it while you get the inboard gaskets on.
>>>>>>>> Another good thing is that the roll you end up with has a smooth skin
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> sail over it - looks nice and there is nothing for the wind to pluck
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> you are doing this at sea in bad weather.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Don't forget to ease the reef line after the gaskets are all
>>>>>>>> on...other
>>>>>>>> wise
>>>>>>>> you will forget it is snugged up a little and when you go to raise the
>>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>>> again you will wonder why it won't go up...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When sailing with a full crew, instead of using the reef line we use
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> person to grasp the bight of the reef line were it doubles on itself
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> reef grommet and pull toward the end of the boom, just like the
>>>>>>>> reefing
>>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>>> would. That makes the trough.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That system works just as well as lazy jacks.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers - Gord (can't wait for spring!) #426 Suprise
>>>>>>>> 
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