[Public-list] Lazyjacks

Gordon Laco mainstay at csolve.net
Sun Jan 8 09:34:30 PST 2006 

What advantages do full battens give you?

Gord #426





> On Revolution, I have lazy jacks, a full battened sail (actually 3 full & 1
> partial battens), and the Strong mainsail slide system. Overall I am very
> happy with it.
>  
> My original lazy jacks were Harken, but I disliked how they were engineered
> (attached at the mast, adjusted on the boom), so I replaced them with home
> made. It was a significant improvement, but lazy jacks of any kind have
> disadvantages. At some point, I am going to try the Dutchman system Bob Kirk
> mentioned. I have heard good things about them, and I particularly like the
> idea that they don't have to be stowed and they don't interfere with raising
> the sail.
>  
> The full battened sail was a good move, with no downsides as long as you have
> articulated batten pockets on the sail.
>  
> The Strong mainsail slide and articulated batten pocket system is outstanding.
> The sail raises easier from the cockpit, and it drops like an elevator when
> the halyard is released. I find that very important when single-handing.
>  
> Jay Davenport
> Revolution, A30 #526
> 
> Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> Cool - should be no problem then. You may be able to do away with the lazy
> jacks.
> 
> Gord #426 Surprise
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> They do - Schaeffer thinks of everything. The weee lazyjack blocks are Hoit
>> Allen's by the way
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gordon Laco"
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
> 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Lazyjacks
>> 
>> 
>>> Ah - batten cars! they may be a problem unless they allow the batten to
>>> roll on a ball joint.
>>> 
>>> Gord
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I would have thought full battens would be twisted into pretzels doing
>>>> that,
>>>> mine are on Schaeffer slide cars. Since it works for you I will have to
>>>> try
>>>> it - would be nice to get away from the lazy strings. By the way I use
>>>> small
>>>> Laser plastic dinghy blocks on the lasyjacks - got a great deal on them
>>>> in
>>>> Kingston Ontario during CORK a few years back - normally $9 each, I got
>>>> them
>>>> for $1.50 have 3 per side - no wear on the sail, they weigh boo all and
>>>> they
>>>> really help align the jacks.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe your system will work for me - then I can redeploy them to
>>>> something
>>>> else - spinnaker blocks for an A-37 perhaps ; )
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Gord.
>>>> As always,
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Gordon Laco"
>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
> 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Lazyjacks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Interesting Gord - does it work with full battens?
>>>>>> Thx.
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Gordon Laco"
>>>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
> 
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:41 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Lazyjacks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi there -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rather than lazy jacks, we use a technique to control the mains'l when
>>>>>>> single or short handed that goes as follows...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When ready to dump the main, we ease the halyard while hauling in on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> clew line of the first reef. We don't snug it tight, just enough to
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> trough of the bunt of the sail up to the first reef. It is then
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>> to let the rest of the main fall (with some help pulling on the luff)
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> the trough. To help guide the sail in, when standing at the halyard
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> mast you grab the tack end of the first reef as it goes by and hold it
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> opening the trough and giving it a toss now and again to flip the sail
>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When it is all down, you can roll the sail onto the top of the boom.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> trough is held up at the outboard end by the reef line - the effect is
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you have a guy there holding it while you get the inboard gaskets on.
>>>>>>> Another good thing is that the roll you end up with has a smooth skin
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> sail over it - looks nice and there is nothing for the wind to pluck
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you are doing this at sea in bad weather.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Don't forget to ease the reef line after the gaskets are all
>>>>>>> on...other
>>>>>>> wise
>>>>>>> you will forget it is snugged up a little and when you go to raise the
>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>> again you will wonder why it won't go up...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When sailing with a full crew, instead of using the reef line we use
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> person to grasp the bight of the reef line were it doubles on itself
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> reef grommet and pull toward the end of the boom, just like the
>>>>>>> reefing
>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>> would. That makes the trough.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That system works just as well as lazy jacks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers - Gord (can't wait for spring!) #426 Suprise
>>>>>>> 
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