[Public-list] Lazyjacks

Sun Jan 8 11:17:20 PST 2006

I also have full battened sails and the strong system and could not be
more pleased. The only problem I have had with lazy jacks is that they
can get battens can get hung up in the lines as you hoist the sail. With
practice I have found that if I get the boat heading right into the wind
and pay some attention while I am hoisting the sail, this difficulty
does not arise (often). I am intrigued by all  the different ways
discussed to manage the main sail.

>>> jay at saildriver.com 01/08/06 11:47 AM >>>
On Revolution, I have lazy jacks, a full battened sail (actually 3 full
& 1 partial battens), and the Strong mainsail slide system. Overall I am
very happy with it.

  My original lazy jacks were Harken, but I disliked how they were
engineered (attached at the mast, adjusted on the boom), so I replaced
them with home made. It was a significant improvement, but lazy jacks of
any kind have disadvantages. At some point, I am going to try the
Dutchman system Bob Kirk mentioned. I have heard good things about them,
and I particularly like the idea that they don't have to be stowed and
they don't interfere with raising the sail.

  The full battened sail was a good move, with no downsides as long as
you have articulated batten pockets on the sail.

  The Strong mainsail slide and articulated batten pocket system is
outstanding. The sail raises easier from the cockpit, and it drops like
an elevator when the halyard is released. I find that very important
when single-handing.

  Jay Davenport
  Revolution, A30 #526

Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
  Cool - should be no problem then. You may be able to do away with the
lazy
jacks.

Gord #426 Surprise

> They do - Schaeffer thinks of everything. The weee lazyjack blocks
are Hoit
> Allen's by the way
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gordon Laco" 
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" 

> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Lazyjacks
> 
> 
>> Ah - batten cars! they may be a problem unless they allow the batten
to
>> roll on a ball joint.
>> 
>> Gord
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I would have thought full battens would be twisted into pretzels
doing
>>> that,
>>> mine are on Schaeffer slide cars. Since it works for you I will
have to
>>> try
>>> it - would be nice to get away from the lazy strings. By the way I
use
>>> small
>>> Laser plastic dinghy blocks on the lasyjacks - got a great deal on
them
>>> in
>>> Kingston Ontario during CORK a few years back - normally $9 each, I
got
>>> them
>>> for $1.50 have 3 per side - no wear on the sail, they weigh boo all
and
>>> they
>>> really help align the jacks.
>>> 
>>> Maybe your system will work for me - then I can redeploy them to
>>> something
>>> else - spinnaker blocks for an A-37 perhaps ; )
>>> 
>>> Thanks Gord.
>>> As always,
>>> John
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gordon Laco" 
>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" 

>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Lazyjacks
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Yes.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Interesting Gord - does it work with full battens?
>>>>> Thx.
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Gordon Laco" 
>>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" 

>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:41 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Lazyjacks
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi there -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rather than lazy jacks, we use a technique to control the
mains'l when
>>>>>> single or short handed that goes as follows...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When ready to dump the main, we ease the halyard while hauling
in on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> clew line of the first reef. We don't snug it tight, just enough
to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> trough of the bunt of the sail up to the first reef. It is then
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> easy
>>>>>> to let the rest of the main fall (with some help pulling on the
luff)
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> the trough. To help guide the sail in, when standing at the
halyard
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mast you grab the tack end of the first reef as it goes by and
hold it
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> opening the trough and giving it a toss now and again to flip
the sail
>>>>>> in.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When it is all down, you can roll the sail onto the top of the
boom.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> trough is held up at the outboard end by the reef line - the
effect is
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you have a guy there holding it while you get the inboard
gaskets on.
>>>>>> Another good thing is that the roll you end up with has a smooth
skin
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> sail over it - looks nice and there is nothing for the wind to
pluck
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you are doing this at sea in bad weather.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't forget to ease the reef line after the gaskets are all
>>>>>> on...other
>>>>>> wise
>>>>>> you will forget it is snugged up a little and when you go to
raise the
>>>>>> main
>>>>>> again you will wonder why it won't go up...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When sailing with a full crew, instead of using the reef line we
use
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> person to grasp the bight of the reef line were it doubles on
itself
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> reef grommet and pull toward the end of the boom, just like the
>>>>>> reefing
>>>>>> line
>>>>>> would. That makes the trough.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That system works just as well as lazy jacks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers - Gord (can't wait for spring!) #426 Suprise
>>>>>> 
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