[Public-list] Anchor and Rode
John Birch
Sunstone at cogeco.ca
Wed Mar 15 15:11:51 PST 2006
Wow - has chain ever gone up - in the mid 90's I paid $ 2.89 CDN a foot for
HT 5/16 (Group 40)- I would imagine you need to buy from a source near you
as I imagine shipping costs would be prohibitive. I bought mine from
Mason's, The Store in Port Credit, Ontario and did wangle a bit of a deal.
To get the cantanary I would suggest you stick with 5/16. I would suggest
BBB group 30 or 40. You need to factor in high strength with brittleness,
there is a trade off, and remember the loading necessary to break group 40
will likely carry something off your bow first. Any groups above 40 I would
question the need for - also, marine grade - you want the best hot dip galv
you can get. When buying chain, take your windlass gypsy with you to make
sure it matches the chain - very important, else the chain will jump off or
jam risking injury.
Best of luck.
Cheers,
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN GRAVES" <jg1111 at msn.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Public-list] Anchor and Rode
>I am looking to buy anchor chain myself. I checked in the West Marine
>catalog and it seems to be very expensive. I have cruised up and down the
>Georgia and Florida east coast and throughout the Bahamas with a Bruce
>Anchor with 200' of nylon anchor line and 5 or 6 feet of galvanized chain.
>I would have to check the diameters, etc. because I can't remember right
>off hand. I also have a danforth lunch hook and various other danforths I
>have found on the bottom. I can't remember ever significantly dragging anch
> or and I've had the boat for about 22 years. The most sustained wind I can
> remember being anchored in that I actually clocked was 50 + knots in the
> lee of Eluthera at current cut anchored in a sand bottom and she didn't
> budge. I think I had the Bruce and the big danforth out.I was thinking
> about buying about 50' of chain. 5/16 is listed @ 4.59/ft for Grade 40 Hot
> dip galvanized high test chain, 5.99/ft for Grade 70, and 15.99/foot for
> stainless steel proof coil chain. For 5
> 0' it would be $229.50, $299.50, and $799.50, respectively. I want
> something of sufficient size and strength with maybe a little over kill.
> And I definetly want something that I will not have to worry about
> rusting, preferably in my lifetime. I initially wanted to go with
> stainless steel but it's pretty steep in price and also has a much lower
> breaking strength for the size. My questions to the group are: What size
> chain would be sufficient (with a little over kill)? What experience has
> been had with the d
> ifferent grades as far as rusting in a marine environment? and Does anyone
> have a better source for chain as far as price goes?
> Thanks,
> John (Trelawney #15)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Birch<mailto:Sunstone at cogeco.ca>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all<mailto:public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Anchor and Rode
>
>
> When cruising - particularly in the 1000 Islands, Lake Ontario, I have
> found
> since going to all chain, 200' 5/16 high tensile, that I can limit my
> swing
> in anchorages and "sleep like lumber" ; )
>
> We use a SL 555 Sea Tiger windlass to handle the chain and I installed a
> deck washdown system to minimize muck of the chain bringing up mud. On
> ours
> we have a 45lb CQR with two 33lb Bruces as backup anchors. Had a custom
> offset SS dual bow roller fabricated with oversize cheeks so the chain
> can't
> jump. Interestingly the bow roller didn't cost much more than two off the
> shelf units would have cost and it is a much better unit, looks good too.
> This holds the CQR and one Bruce. The Bruce is on 50' of chain and 5/8'
> nylon twist. The CQR on 200' chain with an additional 300' of 3/4 nylon
> twist (in case I ever encounter a really deep anchorage say 80' foot).
>
> The deck wash was quite inexpensive to install and has made cleanup a
> breeze, and is useful for the occasional midlake shower - though a bit
> bracing to be sure ... brrrrrr - ohmmmmmmmmmmmm ; )
>
> While this is on an A-37, scaling down for an A-30 would be easily
> feasible.
> Up here there are a few A-30's on chain and the owners seem to be quite
> happy with the arrangement. Personally, I think a CQR is the best all
> round
> anchor - although the boat came with 2 danforths, I find they are useless
> if
> weed or hard bottoms are encountered.
>
> With all the cheap used equipment down in the Annapolis area available,
> buying a used CQR in good shape is not the bank breaker that one is when
> bought new. Combined with all the danforths you guys use in the
> Chesapeake,
> you could cruise anywhere. One point I discovered the hard way, with no
> damage thank goodness, is that you should have 2 primary grade anchors,
> in
> case something happens to the first.
>
> My experience anyway.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net<mailto:mainstay at csolve.net>>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
> <public-list at alberg30.org<mailto:public-list at alberg30.org>>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Anchor and Rode
>
>
> > Hi there -
> >
> > I would suggest that if you have variable water depth, and expect the
> > possiblity of wind, you need the best anchoring gear you can afford
> where
> > ever you sail. Anchoring requirements in the Chesapeake place no less
> > hazard than anywhere else! An anchor cable totalling 120' will allow
> you
> > to
> > anchor with reasonable security in about 20' of water...that is not
> much.
> > In winds over say 20kts you would not be reasonable secure , using
> > Danforth's own 7:1 recommendation.
> >
> > The good thing about an all chain cable is that it artificially
> increases
> > the effect of scope by forcing the boat to pick up the chain before
> > exerting
> > a pull on the anchor...and also by ensuring that the pull on the anchor
> is
> > as near horizontal as possible when it does come on. I think really
> good
> > ground tackle is the cheapest and most effective insurance you can
> > buy...and
> > its good seamanship too!
> >
> > There I go again....
> >
> > Gord #426
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> This talk about anchor chain makes me wonder...
> >> I would have thought an all chain rode might be
> >> overkill here in the Chesapeake Bay.
> >>
> >> What anchor and rode combination do you Chesapeake Bay
> >> sailors use?
> >>
> >> I have no experience with the A30 yet, but I would
> >> guess that a 20 lb Danforth, 20' of 5/16" chain, and
> >> 100' of 7/16" nylon would be about right for most
> >> conditions here. A smaller lunch hook with lighter
> >> nylon and no chain is probably OK for mild conditions
> >> when the boat is attended.
> >>
> >> What do those who range to the Keys and the Carribean
> >> find they need?
> >>
> >> Pete
> >>
> >>
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