[Public-list] Pintal and Gudgeon

[Mike Lehman]

Lee,

The shoe arrangement should be the same. The really early boats are somewhat 
different, but I think that was mostly in the pintals/gugeons. Ralph 
Bluntschli wrote a good article yaers ago on repairs he did on 123 for the 
pintals/gugeons but the shoe was the same. To get the shoe off - make sure 
all of the bolts/screws are removed, then pry it off. It is stuck with 
marine adhesive, use a little heat to soften the caulking



Mike Lehman
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Subject: Re: [Public-list] Pintal and Gudgeon
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:54:45 EDT


In a message dated 5/11/2006 6:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sail_505 at hotmail.com writes:

Before  drilling out the existing pin, you may want to try to un-screw it. 
It
is  actually a bronze bolt with the head removed. If it is in bad shape it
will probably crumble from the force, but it is worth a try. If it
disentegrates, make it flush and center-puch it and drill it out as close  
as
possible to the ceter of the old pin, then tap and put in a new  bolt/pin. 
If
that is beyond your skill, it is a good, small job, for a  machine shop.
Never, never try to use an ez-out (from  experience).

I cut 2 washers out of thin teflon and placed them between  the shoe and the
rudder. I am not sure it makes a difference, but it makes  me feel better,
and the late Bruce Rankin (the father of engineering for  the A30 fleet)
thought that was terrrific idea (making me feel even  better).



Mike  Lehman
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Mike, you always have such good advice, and us newer owners always profit
from your experience!!!!!

I have a little play in the heel of the rudder, and though it has not
worsened since we have owned Stargazer, that is the next project. We'll do 
it  next
fall.

Do you know if old and new hull's rudder posts lower ends are as you
describe, with a headless bronze bolt protruding from the bottom into the 
shoe?
Stargazer is #255, 1967, with no hull liner and the old, tall toerail and
all-wooden cockpit seats.

Any advice on the best way to get the rudder shoe off the keel?

I replaced the 1/4 inch chainplate bolts with 5/16 and added backing  
plates,
as you, George, and others so kindly and wisely recommended. Once I got  a
method, it wasn't a bad job to do. I'd been looking for an excuse to buy a
drill press for a long time, and this project was it!!!!!  With that tool,  
and 4
bits that went up incrementaly by 64'ths, drilling out the chainplates  went
well.  I was releived to find the wood sandwiched between the glass in  the
chainplate anchors was still solid, as there had been deck leaks there when  
I
bought the boat.

We launched the boat two weeks ago. Early for this far North, New Bedford
Mass, but we had hauled late last fall and so were in the front of the yard, 
and
  it was either let the boat be moved as the early fisherman clammered to 
get
us  out of the way, or put her in. Though the weather has not been good, we
have  gotten out for a few sails already. Almost as nice is getting down 
into
the  cabin after the boat is put away and making some good hot soup on the 
stove
and  enjoying it aboard.

Thx again, to all :)
Lee
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