[Public-list] inverter - sheet splicing Genoa leads

Wed Oct 11 10:45:50 PDT 2006

I know the Brummel splice well:

http://www.newenglandropes.com/splice/sp13_sbraid_eye_brummel.htm

I do it in single braid all the time. But I have never seen it done with
double braid. Are your sheets single braid?

the instructions above show how to do the brummel splice by pulling an end
through. There is another way to tie the same splice without using an end.
This is called the 'mobius brummel' But I don't see how you could do this
one with double braid. I couldn't find online pix of this one, but it's
really cool and easy to do with 12-strand. I learned it from a book called
'The Rigger's Apprentice' by Brion Toss. Awesome book.

Perhaps you could do an end-for-end splice with the clew in the middle, as
in:

http://www.newenglandropes.com/splice/sp22_db-end_for_end.htm

This would attach sheets to clew but you would start with 2 pieces of line.
Might be a cool way of doing it...

Later,

JB

On 10/11/06, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>
> Hi there -
>
> 'fraid I've never heard of that but would be interested in seeing it.
>
> G
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Memory serves it is called a brummel - on woven rode, not twist - too
> much
> > stretch with twist. Its a rarely used splice but has held up beautifully
> > over the past 10 years. You'll have to look it up I'm afraid since we
> > haven't needed to do it twice I have forgotten how. It is spliced in the
> > middle of the sheet which and done tightly so the splice doesn't work
> around
> > and wear in the clew ring. Did it from a splicing book.
> >
> > Maybe Gord knows what it is called ?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "J Bergquist" <jbergqui at gmail.com>
> > To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Public-list] inverter
> >
> >
> >> John-
> >>
> >> Is that mid-splice a core-to-core splice or is it sewn together and
> >> whipped?
> >>
> >>
> >> If core-to-core, how exactly do you do that? I assume your lines are
> >> double-braid. Not sure I see how that would work without running an end
> >> through. is there something I am missing? Can you do it like a mobius
> >> brummel by tucking twice and collapsing then pulling the middle back
> >> through
> >> each collapsed tuck sequentially? Can you then get the cover to swallow
> it
> >> back up?
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> On 10/11/06, John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We stopped using shackles on genoa & jib clews a number of years ago.
> We
> >>> use
> >>> a continuous line mid spliced to the clew which reduces sheet hang-up
> >>> during
> >>> tacks. I highly recommend it, particularly on roller furlers as you
> >>> seldom
> >>> change sails. We keep a spare set of sheets if we have to change out
> >>> sails
> >>> for tying on. On Chutes we use a shackle and Gord's line is ideal for
> >>> that
> >>> purpose.
> >>>
> >>> Hope this is a help.
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
> >>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:25 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] inverter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi there -
> >>>>
> >>>> I think 3:1 would usually be enough... Although you might wish for
> more
> >>>> the
> >>>> few days of the year there is a gale blowing during a race.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think 7/16 is good for genoa sheets; strength is not an issue;
> >>>> comfort
> >>>> on
> >>>> the hand is the thing.  Bigger is better, but you will resent the
> >>>> weight
> >>>> when sailing in light airs.
> >>>>
> >>>> We use a bronze snap shackle for the genny clew but it is lethal when
> >>>> flogging and I am going back to tying bowlines.
> >>>>
> >>>> Our spinnaker sheets are 5/16" poly sheathed dyneema... Very light,
> >>> don't
> >>>> absorb water and thick enough to hold in most conditions.  We use
> small
> >>>> bronze snap shackles for the clews .
> >>>>
> >>>> Gord
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I am thinking of installing an inverter. Has anybody got any
> >>>>> particular
> >>>>> items for discussion on this topic?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, I bought some sweet Schaeffer towable jib leads on sale at APS
> >>> and
> >>>>> want to rig them up. Any advice on how much purchase is needed to
> move
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> leads around smoothly with the jib loaded up? Is 3:1 enough? I saw
> >>>>> some
> >>>>> boats at the show have 4 or 5:1.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What size jib sheets do most people use? Mine are monster 1/2" line
> >>> that
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> bought at Bacons before I knew anything about buying line. I want to
> >>>>> replace
> >>>>> them and was thinking 3/8".  I have heard some people say they like
> >>> 7/16"
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> that for strength or for cleat holding? How do most folks attach
> >>>>> jibsheets
> >>>>> to the clew? Currently I use a lark's head which is nice because
> there
> >>> is
> >>>>> no
> >>>>> metal at the sheet/clew interface, no chance of catching on
> something,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> it's never slipped on me yet. But I was thinking of maybe splicing
> >>> these
> >>>>> lines to the clew (then have a set for each sail...a bit
> expensive...)
> >>> or
> >>>>> using a shackle. I have seen some people just use bowlines. I'd be
> >>>>> interested in knowing if anybody has a particularly good method for
> >>> doing
> >>>>> this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Finally, what do people use for light weather spinnaker sheets?
> >>> Diameter?
> >>>>> Means of attachment? I figure you could use a VERY small ronstan
> >>> shackle
> >>>>> spliced to the sheet and that would probably be no heavier than a
> >>>>> bowline.
> >>>>> Has anybody tried the plastic shackles? They are really light.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> J Bergquist
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