[Public-list] mainsheet questions

[C.B. Currier]

http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/scpdinw1.ShowProd?B4RPMEB9Y8TMEG
That should work.
Simply a fiddle with ratchet - num 042 and Cam cleat but I know you can
flip the mount.

BTW: I like the upside down as wekk because I have no one behind me when
racing and do all of my own tranveler and main trimming. Thus I can snap
the sheet from the forward windward winch and have the main release with
no problem. If my traveler down does not work.

Check her out over at EYC when you at SSA for TESOD.

-- 
C.B. Currier
Infinity #57
Daybreak #458


J Bergquist wrote:
> CB-
>
> The harken link you sent didn't work. Can you tell me the Part Number
> for the flip thing? I would be real interested in that?
>
> My existing fiddle doesn't have a ratchet and I find that it's plenty
> of purchase. I was thinking that if I used a ratchet I could maybe
> drop purchase to 3:1. Do you think that would work?
>
> I also used to have marelon blocks (one of the first things I replaced
> on the boat when I got her 5 years ago). I still do have the
> screw-stops. I hate those things. I am in process of buying a new
> traveler as well, which is why I asked about the car. I am saving
> pennies, nickels, and susan B's for that purchase.
>
> I saw Phil Grotheer make a custom bracket for a harken traveler car
> that had a swivel cleat base bolted to it for his J/22. It was pretty
> sweet, but I think he did it fully from scratch himself.
>
> Thanks all for the feedback.
>
> Later,
>
> J
>
> On 5/1/07, C.B. Currier <cbcurrier at spinrx.com> wrote:
>> J,
>>
>> I use that exact method and am very happy with it except in a few
>> instances.
>> For fact sake these fiddle blocks are very common on multi hulls and
>> that
>> is where I first came to consider the application for Infinity.
>>
>> If you do not like the upside down then go for flipping the cam mount:
>>
>> http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1
>>
>> My harken fiddle (5:1) has a ratchet on it and is very nice for all
>> aspects of the trim. I would suggest this fix first - the flip. If that
>> cannot be done then put on a harken fiddle with a ratchet and flip the
>> mount for  the cleat. This is really the most accomodating configuration
>> I
>> know of. Also use a mid-range adjustable traveler. Don't waste your time
>> if you havent already with a windward sheeting car - they never hold
>> fast.
>> It is quite a few bucks though with a whole new rig. Good Luck.
>>
>> BTW: I dont think a swivel will work unless you mount a pedestal in the
>> cockpit.
>>
>> My original hardware on Infinity was screw end stops for the traveler
>> and
>> Marelon fiddle blocks with the sheet cleating on the cabin top.
>> --
>> C.B. Currier
>> Infinity #57
>> Daybreak #458
>>
>> J Bergquist wrote:
>> > Folks,
>> >
>> > I don't like the way my mainsheet cleat works. I think it's backwards
>> > having to pull down to uncleat the main. I much prefer pulling up to
>> > uncleat and pulling down to cleat it. This makes it easier to ease the
>> > main in a puff and is the way every dinghy I ever sailed is rigged
>> > (although many dinghies actually have no cleat at all...). My boat has
>> > a cleat that is mounted on a fiddle block and the cleat faces down. So
>> > when you pull up, the sheet cleats. This seems to be a pretty standard
>> > setup for keelboats, at least, for traditional ones.
>> >
>> > I would like to reverse this. I have considered 2 options. The ideal
>> > situation would be to use my existing blocks with a harken 402 swivel
>> > pedestal cleat base, like:
>> >
>> > http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/sccyspw1.eShowPage?409Z56LC7FV66&409Z56LC5IU7U
>> >
>> > The only problem is that I am not sure anybody makes a traveler car
>> > which would accept a base like this. I am looking for one. If anybody
>> > knows of a traveler car that would work with a swivel pedestal base, I
>> > am all ears.
>> >
>> > The secondary option, less ideal, but still superior to the existing
>> > solution would be to unscrew the existing cam cleat and turn it upside
>> > down, using some kind of spacer between the plate and the cleat to
>> > allow clearance for uncleating the sheet. I have seen cleats where
>> > people have done this with plastic or delrin balls. The problem with
>> > this is that there is a lot of bending load on the fasteners because
>> > the load is transferred through them all the way up to the top-mounted
>> > base. You really have to have big ones and have them screwed down
>> > tight or you'll bend them.
>> >
>> > I was just wondering if anybody on the list has pursued either of
>> > these options? Alternately, is there some reason that I am missing why
>> > it is better to have your mainsheet auto-cleat when you pull up on it?
>> >
>> > Also, I have 5:1 on the mainsheet with no ratchet block. Is there
>> > anybody out there who is using a ratchet with less purchase (say 3:1)?
>> > Less purchase would allow you to use a much shorter mainsheet.
>> > Alternately, is there anybody with a gross/fine trim system?
>> >
>> > Thanks as always for your thoughts and input.
>> >
>> > J Bergquist
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