[Public-list] lazy guys

[J Bergquist]

Roger-

I replied to this a couple days ago, but the list appeared to go down
and it got bounced. I am re-sending. I apologize if people receive
this multiple times...

I have never seen this on a keelboat, but it seems plausible. I guess
that's A way to depower your kite...

on some kinds of skiffs and High Performance Dinghies, they use a
spinnaker launcher which is a tube under the foredeck. The halyard
goes up and down the mast then through some blocks and cleats in the
bilge and back out the tube and connects to a patch in the middle of
the sail. To pull the sail up, you just uncleat the retrieval line and
pull the halyard while the crew sets the pole on the guy. When you
want to take the sail down, you release the halyard cleat and pull on
the other end which sucks it back into the tube. Pretty slick. And if
you mistakenly cleat the retriever line for some reason during the
hoist, you get an effect similar to what you have described below.
This condition is commonly referred to as 'elephant ass'. It's not
pretty, and it's not fast, either. I had not considered a Mae West
metaphor, but that is kind of good. Perhaps I can change the
terminology.

I'm not making this up.

Everyone else, thanks for the feedback. Good stuff. I had also
considered snatch blocks but was worried that in a lot of breeze they
would explode (I've seen them do this several times on lightnings...)

For some reason I thought that when I asked about twings before (this
was like 2 years ago) people told me I was nuts. Well, I AM nuts, but
you know what I mean...

later,

JB

On 5/1/07, Roger L. Kingsland <r.kingsland at ksba.com> wrote:
> Jay,
>
> I hesitate to mention this because I am not sure if it is from memory or
> some crazy dream.  Many years ago I crewed on a C&C 41' in lake Erie and I
> seem to recall, in heavy air downwind, the crew somehow rigged a spare
> halyard on forward side of the chute running down the centerline vertically.
> When it was tightened it would basically form two chutes rather than one
> which I assume reduced roll.  Has anyone heard of such a technique or does
> this fall in the same category as most of my other comments?
>
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of J Bergquist
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> Subject: Re: [Public-list] lazy guys
>
> During the more windy downwind sailing on Sunday, there were several
> broaches and it was clear that many of us were having trouble keeping the
> spinnaker under control. A number of people jib-reached. I was
> thinking...there might be some things that can be done to help keep the
> spinnaker more under control in windy conditions.
>
> My thought is that anything you can do to stabilize the spinnaker will help
> keep the boat under control. Having the guy coming out of a fairlead well
> forward would help by pulling the pole more down and keeping that stable.
> You need lazy guys for this. Also having a twing for the sheet would help
> because it would increase leech tension by making the sheet pull more down
> and less back on the clew, helping to stabilize the leech of the spinnaker.
> Both of these are common practice in boats both bigger and smaller than ours
> (J/22, Etchells, Lightning, J/24, J/35, and 505 are all ones with which I
> have firsthand experience...I have heard that it's common on Mumm 30's and
> Farr 40's as well).
>
> Is there anybody else who has tried this?
>
> Later,
>
> JB
>
> On 5/1/07, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> > Nope -  I think the A30 is a little small for those... In heavy air
> > they might make gybing easier but I don't think they would be a plus.
> >
> > I am happy again now that I am not worried about the engine...so...
> >
> > The only lazy guys we have aboard are my crew....... Hahahaha
> >
> >
> > Gord #426 Surprise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Does anybody use lazy guys for spinnaker handling? I am thinking of
> > > going to lazy guys...
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > J Bergquist
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