[Public-List] Engine Power Loss

Wed Sep 12 18:29:43 PDT 2007

Just a general thank you to all on the list for the suggestions for fixing
my power loss issue. I'm going to explore the gas filter suggestion as well
as the switched high-tension leads. I read that in the past but doubt that I
would get the RPM's as high with switched leads.
Normally, on calm water, the engine pushes to hull speed at approximately
1200 RPM. But that's it. There is no reserve if pushing against a current.
I have a few pictures of the restoration work I have done to Putachieside as
well as a couple of great pictures (at least I think their great) of my wife
and I sailing in Boundary Bay BC on September 9. If you wish to see let me
know or George, if you can post some, tell me where to send them.

Cheers - Brian - #496

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Gord - I think this is a good way to look at it.  Most ships have prop
and engine tuned for max efficiency at somewhere below the "hull speed".
Tugboats are and interesting exception because they have to be efficient
at very low to zero speed - they are generally qualified by a "bollard
pull" test against a dynamometer at the pier.

My tach has been busted all season, but from memory I agree, I get 6.5
knots at much less than 2000 RPM.

Mike
Rinn Duin #272

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I agree - I was thinking the same thing.  FYI SURPRISE gets about 6.5 at
about 1400 rpm; I have never tried revving up to full power at the
jetty.
If you have a slightly heavier pitch on your prop your revs will show a
little lower at full throttle as the boat comes up against the
steepening resistance curve due to that old 1.4 x the square root of
your effective waterline length.  At rest, and with the water flow past
the prop not being what it might be while moving fast, the 'slippage'
will be greater possibly allowing the revs to go up as the efficiency of
the prop drops a little.

Mike - am I on track with that reasoning?

Gord #426

> You may get 2000 RPM at the dock straining against the docklines, but
> since the prop is more efficient when the boat is moving forward, it
> absorbs the maximum power of the engine at lower RPM.
>
>
> What's your speed at 1200 RPM underway?
>
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>
> Brian,
>
> It is puzzling that you can get power in gear at the dock, but not
> underway.
>
> This may be directly or indirectly a fuel quality issue.
>
> If you have a fuel filter, yank the element and see if it's all full
> of crud.  The ethanol gas in particular does not get along well with
> water and will go bad quickly.  That can gum up your carb., or worse,
> stick a valve.  If the filter is crud-filled, drain the tank, get a
> better sealed filler cap, change the filter element and re-fill the
tank.
>
> If you have access to a compression tester, check each of the
> cylinders to ensure you don't have a stuck valve.  These low
compression 4cyl.
> engines will run well enough on two cylinders to fool a mechanic into
> thinking it's running normally unless he puts load on it.  If you
> don't have a compression tester, you may be able to see the valves
> through the spark plug holes, if so, you can check to see that each is

> moving up and down on each pair of revolutions.
>
> If you're lucky, neither is the case, but you may as well check to
> eliminate possible causes.
>
> Andrew Cole
> Andante - 152
>
>> When the transmission is in forward, neutral and reverse at the dock
>> I
> get about 2000 RPM.
>> However when I leave the dock I cannot get the RPM's over 1200 in
> forward.
>
>> Brian - Putachieside - 496
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