[Public-List] Alberg shopping (was Hope Island RacingConference)

pwrutland at bellnet.ca pwrutland at bellnet.ca
Wed Aug 13 13:22:06 PDT 2008

I have a feeling that when I write to you, that a lot more folks get it, and 
so I would like to thank everyone who wrote to me about new boat.

I had a shark for my first boat, and there was an active class association, 
but it did not seem to be as helpful as the present A30 folks. I think they 
were all interested in racing, and if one did not race, that was it. I then 
bought a white with petter contessa 26, and the only association I was aware 
of was in England, but even then, some of them were quite helpful.  I find 
the A30 class association or groups quite an incentive to purcahse one. 
Boats are always a way of learning for me, and the support demonstrated in 
the last few days is impressive.

I have a lot to digest, and wanted to thank everyone and I will be in touch 
as things progress.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Dinwiddie" <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Alberg shopping (was Hope Island 

> Rachel,
> That's a pretty good synopsis.  Close enough to give a good feel.
> I'd just like to add that the chainplate attachments are a problem in all 
> the boats, and the bolts should be upgraded to 5/16" or doubled in number 
> (and don't use fully-threaded bolts).  Sometimes the knees should be given 
> attention, too.
> Also, while they should mostly be gone, watch out for Whitby's "home made" 
> 3/4" through-hulls.  They were a two-piece design made from pipe and 
> washer--a very dangerous boat-sinker.
>  - George
> Rachel wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>> Sounds like you're pretty familiar with boats - Contessa... Mmmm!  I 
>> guess maybe you'd like to stand up for a change though :D
>> First of all, there are two "generations" of A-30s, in addition to a few 
>> "transitional" boats that were made between Generation I and Generation 
>> II boats.
>> They're both the same boat, but there are a few differences.  Here are a 
>> few highlights:
>> Gen I --- Hull #1 - #380-ish?
>> "Stick built" furniture - that is, the bulkheads, etc. are wood (laminate 
>> faced in the earliest boats) and are tabbed directly to the hull and 
>> deck.  The sole is wooden and is built upon wooden floors, etc.
>> The hull deck joint is comprised of an inward-turning flange on the hull 
>> capped off by a flat deck, and the works is resined and  bolted together 
>> with the same bolts that hold the teak toerail on.  I'd say they're 
>> spaced at about 3-1/2" to 4" apart.  The toerail is something like a 
>> vertical 1" x 2" profile.
>> The decks are double cored with Masonite (pegboard).  That is, it's a 
>> fiberglass/Masonite/fiberglass/Masonite/fiberglass construction (from 
>> what I've read - haven't seen inside myself).  The coring stops (mostly) 
>> short of where the stanchions etc. attach which has helped reduce the 
>> incidence of deck-core-saturation  problems.  Also the Masonite seems 
>> less prone to that than balsa (although I suppose it must be heavier what 
>> with all those resin filled holes). The decks drain directly overboard 
>> through cutouts in the toerails.
>> Rudder is either wooden planks with drift pins (earliest), or solid 
>> fiberglass with brass reinforcing (middle).  Not sure if there was a 
>> third evolution on the Gen I boats. No rudder stuffing box.
>> Hardware seems to be mostly chromed bronze, with some stainless.  The 
>> stem fitting is chromed bronze with a teak pad beneath it. The cockpit 
>> lockers and companionway and lazarette hatches are all wooden.  The 
>> forehatch is wood-framed with a clear panel for the top. Large, fixed 
>> ports are aluminum.  Smaller ports may or may not be opening (or a 
>> combination thereof, as opening were optional one-by-one). There's a deck 
>> hatch in the cockpit that leads to an "upright" icebox down below.
>> Belowdecks, the overhead is faired and painted glass.  There is a central 
>> aisleway, with a laminated wood beam that supports the mast, in 
>> conjunction with the plywood bulkheads. Water tank is integral fiberglass 
>> in the bow area under the v-berth.
>> Original engines:  Early Graymarine gas; later Atomic Four.
>> Gen II  Hull #40x-ish - to the end (#7xx?)
>> Note that I have a Gen I boat, so if I get any of this wrong, please 
>> someone correct me.
>> Gen II boats have an interior liner.  The bulkheads slot into the liner. 
>> The sole is flat sections of ply that fit onto the molded sole liner. 
>> Furniture itself is still wood though.
>> The hull deck joint incorporates a fiberglass bulwark, at the top of 
>> which the hull and deck overlap and are riveted together  (along with 
>> sealant and (perhaps some bolts?).  There is a teak cap on top of the 
>> bulwark (the whole thing is about as tall as the wooden toerail on the 
>> Gen I boats).
>> The decks are cored with balsa.  I think it may run all the way out to 
>> the edge, but I'm not sure. The deck drains inboard, through holes to 
>> scuppers.
>> Rudder is foam-filled fiberglass, with internal reinforcement.  There is 
>> a rudder stuffing box (?)
>> Hardware I'm not sure on.  Perhaps more aluminum?  The stem fitting is 
>> all metal (type?) and incorporates chocks. Cockpit locker lids are a bit 
>> longer, and are molded fiberglass with decorative wooden inserts.  They 
>> have deeper gutters than the Gen I lids.  Forehatch is molded fiberglass 
>> (with an opaque/clear center?).  Companionway hatch is wooden (?). 
>> Lazarette hatch is...? Large, fixed ports are aluminum.  Smaller..??
>> Belowdecks, the icebox is a flat "counter style."  Over head is a molded 
>> fiberglass liner.  The mast beam is metal and is somehow integrated into 
>> the overhead (?) Water tank under V-berth --- integral glass with an 
>> aluminum top??
>> Original Engines:  Early maybe Atomic Four and later... diesel?
>> Transitional boats  Hull #380-ish to #40x?
>>  - incorporate some of the features of both.  New deck style, new cockpit 
>> locker lids, but no interior liner...
>> Things to look for (besides the obvious common to all boats, all wood, 
>> all glass, etc.):
>> Gen I specific:
>> Leaks where toe-rail fastens through deck (through the fasteners - not 
>> the actual joint that I know of).
>> Mast beam delamination (often repaired with aluminum sister plates or 
>> other methods).
>> Forward chain plate bolts (were threaded all the way through instead of 
>> having shoulders). (Is this on Gen II also?)
>> Gen II specific:
>> Can anyone fill this in?
>> Wetness in balsa cored decks.
>> Other:
>> The iron ballast does not seem to have caused too many problems.  It's 
>> set in a kind of cement aggregate.  It does bear checking, as the top of 
>> the ballast does not seem to have been well sealed from the factory 
>> (mostly resin with a thin layer of glass or mat), but again, people do 
>> not seem to have had many real problems with it (granted lead would have 
>> been nice).
>> At least on Gen I there is a small, filled in "sump" area behind the 
>> ballast pig (i.e. from the heel fitting forward about two feet).  This is 
>> not a structural issue, but maybe something to check as it has the 
>> potential to have been permeated by bilge water or oil, etc.  At least on 
>> Gen I boats, it's filled in with the same cementitious material that the 
>> ballast was set in, along with a "spacer" of wood, and with an 
>> unreinforced resin pour over the top. So the bilge is one long continuous 
>> slope from front to back. It's definitely deep under the engine (ask me 
>> how I know).
>> I hope this helps.  I've certainly missed things.  And I'm not as 
>> knowledgeable on the Gen II boats, although surely others will pipe in.
>> Happy shopping!
>> Rachel
>> #221
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