[Public-List] Mast Heads for the Alberg..........................rules interpretation or determination???

[J Bergquist]

I have not and will not make a value judgment about who is more savvy.
I am a fan of both racing and cruising. I know many cruisers who are
excellent sailors, and likewise many racers who are such. I would love
to see more cross-pollination among racing and cruising. Anybody who
has ever met me will know this.

Several have pointed out that many boats currently racing have or were
originally supplied with internal halyards. As I understand it, this
makes it allowed under the class rules. I have sailed on some of these
boats.

What I don't have time for is listening to people who don't (or at
least have not recently...) race their boats then claim that something
is or is not allowed by the class rules in a 2-line e-mail. It is not
helpful to our class association to have these kinds of acrimonious
discussions. On that point I am certainly agreed.

I am very busy and do not have time to read and write a ton of e-mail
on this subject. There are many people (including several ACTIVE
racers) who want to upgrade using this masthead fitting that Stephen
has nicely proposed and designed. Part of that upgrade may, for some
people, include leading their halyards internal to the mast, although
as the fitting is designed, I do not see it requiring internal
halyards as such. I have asked the Rules Committee to look into the
issue and make a ruling on it. We will see what they come back with.
In the meantime, let's quick bickering about it.

Personally, I do not believe that changing the masthead or using
internal halyards conveys any material advantage to the performance of
the boat, and I also do not believe that it is a material increase in
the cost. Therefore, I believe it should be allowed. Maybe the rules
committee will agree, maybe not. We will see.

Kind regards,

J Bergquist

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:25 AM,  <crufone at comcast.net> wrote:
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> I agree with Michael,
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> I believe that John perhaps misunderstood what Michael was saying originally.  I read Michael's comments as his understanding/interpretation of the rules is that internal main and jib halyards are not allowed for Alberg 30 One Design racing.  In my read Michael was not making any decision or determinations,i.e., the rules.
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> I remember some posts a while ago about who had more sailing savvy, the racer or the cruiser.  These posts got all misunderstood and a nasty fire storm erupted.  It was too bad because personal feeling were ruffled, basically over miss interpretation of what someone mentioned in their post.
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> KIC...............Keep it Civil
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> Michael #133
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael" <dickdurk at atlanticbb.net>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:33:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Heads for the Alberg
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> J
> It appears from your response I have insulted, or crossed into an area
> you feel I don't belong. If so, I apologize. This being the public list,
> I assumed there are those who don't have access to the rules (the
> Chesapeake Bay Assoc. rules).
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> Anyway, for the record, here goes.
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> Part 1 Section 4 Sentence 2
>         For the one design purposes of the Association (paragraph 2.A.
>    above) any alteration to hull or rigging that precludes full
>                  compliance with part II herof shall be reported to the
>         Association Secretary by the owner, prior to or at the time such
>          alteration is made.
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> Part 2 Section 7 sentence 1
>         The halyards may not be altered insofar as their character and
> points of attachment to the mast are concerned.*
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>         *this shall not preclude leading halyards aft.
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> So, yes, I think I am on pretty solid ground in deciding (your phrase)
> internal halyards are not allowed, by the rules, as written. I would be
> astonished if the rules committee allowed it, especially without
> amending part 2 rules and regulations, but of course that is a decision
> the rules committee has authority to make.
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> It was a pretty big source of, call it conversation, years ago on the
> issue of whether cunninghams should be allowed. It went on for years,
> the rules issue about...a grommet.
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> I have to wonder if I misinterpreted the original "internal halyard"
> post, and the sender was just referring to leading the main halyard
> sheave differently-which, for the record, still speaks to the rules, me
> thinks, but is a whole different animal than running internal halyards.
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> MichaelGrosh
> #220
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