[Public-List] Mast Heads for the Alberg Internal halyards and the racing rules ~ Parameter suggestions

[Lawrence Morris]

George,

I couldn't agree more

Larry
Solstice, #501


On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:12 PM, George Dinwiddie wrote:

> Great suggestions, John.  I think that the important thing is not  
> whether or not internal halyards are allowed.  It's that
>
> 1. Changes in the interpretations of the rules should be open and  
> transparent--not just kept among a select circle.
>
> 2. Any changes in the class rules, or of interpretations of the  
> class rules, should take the long view for the good of the class.
>
> - George
>
> John Birch wrote:
>> Michael, et al
>> May I make a suggestion for your consideration
>> I agree with what you have to say about taking time to review and  
>> grandfathering - very prudent
>> May I suggest, that the drag or less drag caused by halyards is not  
>> terribly significant whereas what is significant more so is driving  
>> away competitors.
>> As these boats age and masts fail for whatever reason and are  
>> replaced, section size, weight, wall thickness and stick rigidity  
>> are much more significant issues. Nobody manufactures A-30 sections  
>> anymore and the last sections were cut up years ago by Whitby to  
>> become Mizzen Booms for the Whitby 42 when people stopped buying  
>> new A-30's.
>> Therefore, any new mast will out of necessity be somewhat different.
>> May I suggest defining the limits and parameter range tolerance of  
>> acceptable replacement mast section replacement standards is a  
>> priority. Focus should be on material (aluminum), section size,  
>> weight, wall thickness, stick rigidity, taper "0", length, number  
>> of spreaders, length of spreaders, shroud diameter, attachment  
>> points and will require a reasonable tolerance range as there will  
>> likely be more than one supplier.
>> If not, in the extreme, one could put in a bendy carbon mast and  
>> undersectioned shrouds and gain a huge advantage.
>> Personally, I don't think internal shrouds really make that much  
>> difference and can be nulled even more with externals by going to a  
>> wire rope halyard.
>> Just suggestions
>> Best all
>> John
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <crufone at comcast.net>
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org 
>> >
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Heads for the Alberg Internal  
>> halyards and the racing rules
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Rachel,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am Michael but not the one you are thinking of. Michael Connolly  
>>> here. My understanding from what has been interpreted about the  
>>> current rules is that boats must be raced in the from that they  
>>> were delivered from Whitby. Some have confirmed that Whitby never  
>>> made A30 masts with internal halyards. In discussing the design of  
>>> the new mast head with Stephen it is clear to me that this head  
>>> was designed for external halyards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My suggestion to the A30 racing rules committee is that they  
>>> grandfather boats with internal halyards for this season only and  
>>> then take the proper time to review and make a careful  
>>> determination of what will be the final decision and rule on  
>>> halyards. Many issues must be taken into consid eration and it  
>>> would be best not to rus h into a decision, just because the new  
>>> racing season is upon us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My two cents,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Connolly #133 on Lake Michigan
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel" <penokee at cheqnet.net>
>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org 
>>> >
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:47:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada  
>>> Eastern
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Heads for the Alberg
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> I'm not a racer, so I don't have an interest one way or the other,  
>>> but
>>> I do like clarity :)
>>>
>>> Did I read correctly in an earlier e-mail that *any* change to how  
>>> the
>>> halyards are run is not legal for racing? I ask because it sounds as
>>> though the new masthead does change the way they are run (i.e.  
>>> changing
>>> the main halyard from a sheave internal to the mast and below the
>>> masthead; to a sheave (or sheaves) that are integral to the masthead
>>> (thus higher and different).
>>>
>>> The reason I'm bringing this up is that if I did understand  
>>> correctly,
>>> this might also be an issue to clarify in this "go 'round" of rules
>>> appealing/changing. Especially since a number of people already have
>>> this new masthead, and more are clearly buying it. Even if those
>>> people don't race now, they might change their minds, or the boats
>>> might be sold to new, racing-minded owners.
>>>
>>> Rachel
>>> #221
>>>
>>>> The Rules Committee is also charged with interpreting the rules  
>>>> for the
>>>> coming season. I will urge the committee to:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Declare whether for the 2009 racing season
>>>> a) internal halyards will be legal,
>>>> OR
>>>> b) internal halyards will be illegal
>>>>
>>>> 2) Recommend an addition to the bylaws Rule #7 either
>>>> a)All halyards used in racing must be completely external to the
>>>> mast.
>>>> OR
>>>> b)Internal halyards are permitted.
>
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