[Public-List] [Public-list] Bilge (main sail shape)

[John Birch]

Hi Gord,

I would respectfully disagree about roach, get as much as you can without 
hitting the backs stay (too hard; )

Counter the weather helm issue by having the main built fairly flat with 
minimal shelf

I think if I remember correctly I only have about 2 1/2 - 3 inches shelf 
compared to the average new style main built with 5-7 inches of shelf

As a result Sunstone points like the dickens and the helm is less Weatherly. 
When I need to depower the helm I drop the traveler and flatten the main 
further with the out hall

We won a lot of races against fin keelers pointing virtually as well as 
they.

Sunstone walks and rocks to weather and it is a great sail

Also, we have as much main foot as legal.

Roach is good, shelf is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Respectfully yours

JB


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Public-List] [Public-list] Bilge


> Hi Pete -
>
> I have a little bit of a predjudice against the big franchise lofts unless 
> a
> particular operation has people in it who have sympathy for heavy
> traditional boats and have insights into what they need.
>
> I heard about an A30 main where the sailmaker, who did not have sympathy 
> or
> respect for older designs, assumed that the only way to go was to boost 
> area
> and talked the fellow into a main with a big roach.
>
> Well of course the A30 is sensitive to increase in power aft of the mast -
> it wrecks the steering and increases heeling to no good effect.  What the
> poor guy ended up with was a bigger more powerful new main that retained 
> for
> him all the handling problems of the old blown out one. (but it was new 
> and
> crispy)
>
> I would recommend Joe Fernades son Ron, who carries on the family business
> since we lost Joe in '02.  If you write to me off list I can give you his
> contact co-ordinates.
>
> Cheers - Gord #426
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/24/09 1:16 PM, "Pete Staehling" <pete.staehling at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am in Parkville (north side of Baltimore).   It would be nice to have a
>> nice new sail.  I think the old now dead one was original, so it was very
>> bagged out.   The previous owner described it as "nice and soft" :)
>>
>> I don't know enough about any of the sail makers to have a preference.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pete -
>>>
>>> I understand your desire to try to find a sail quickly...but with regard 
>>> to
>>> racing vs cruising I can say that cruisers really have a better reason 
>>> to
>>> have good mains than racers.
>>>
>>> A nice shape in your main will knock a significant number of degrees off
>>> your angle of heel in every wind speed. The boat will be much easier to
>>> steer and the cumulative effect will be the same as if you changed your
>>> ballast from iron to lead.  But of course with no actual increase in
>>> weight!!!  oh - I forgot to say - you will sail faster in most wind 
>>> speeds
>>> but the stuff I described above is more important to comfort and safety.
>>>
>>> I suspect this year sailmakers can be found with space in their 
>>> production
>>> schedules.  Making an A30 main from scratch does not take more than a 
>>> few
>>> days; and is really worth every penny.  I have a sailmaker I am loyal to
>>> (who made our boat's sails when the class was in production) but you may
>>> have your favourite.
>>>
>>> Where do you live?
>>>
>>> Gord #426 SURPRISE
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/24/09 1:00 PM, "Pete Staehling" <staehpj1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been away from the list for a couple years.  I am the owner of
>>> #554
>>>> "Aurora".
>>>>
>>>> It seems that I need a new mainsail.  I am open to suggestions, but I
>>> don't
>>>> want to wait too long to get one, so having one made somewhere with a
>>> long
>>>> turnaround time may not be my first choice.  As a casual cruiser I 
>>>> don't
>>>> need a real high performance sail and may be happy with buying someones
>>> used
>>>> cast off.  Aurora currently has roller reefing, but I would prefer to 
>>>> go
>>> to
>>>> slab reefing.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of a used sail for sale that might suit me?
>>>>
>>>> If I opt for a new sail where would you recommend I go, what kind of
>>> price
>>>> and turn around time can I expect?
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