[Public-List] Anchoring

Tue Apr 12 10:32:43 PDT 2011

Thanks all for the anchoring lessons.  I guess the difference between towing
a drogue and anchoring by the stern is the boat is still moving with a
drogue, giving the stern an opportunity rise above the waves.  If anybody is
interested, I would love to hear thoughts on the pros and cons of sea
anchors vs. drogues.

Of course, from all of this discussion, a good politician would conclude the
best compromise is to anchor beam to the wind.

Gord & Mike - I have to admit that sometimes, when I get pissed, I then go
and get pissed.

Roger 148

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Now Mike - I should mention that outside the USA the expression "I got
pissed" means the speaker became intoxicated....

On 12/04/11 12:35 PM, "Mike Lehman" <Sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I anchored stern to the wind only one time...by mistake. I was a stake
boat
> in the Canadian/Chesapeake races one year. I was alone on board. I
anchored
> in 80 feet of water about 50 yards downwind of the turning mark. It was
one
> of those days when the wind was about 25 out of the North and there was
> about 4-6 chop on the Bay. When the race was over, I had to retrieve the
> buoy (a large orange ball). I cold not get it on deck from the bow, so I
> circled around and picked it up over the stern. As I was hauling it in a
big
> wave forced me to let it go and when I did the line paid out so fast that
it
> wrapped around a cleat hand held fast. I was careful not to get tangled in
> the free line, but now I was anchored stern to and did not have enough
> strength to release the line from the cleat. So I put the boat in full
> reverse and was backing and pulling against the waves and the wind. One
> particularly large wave came over the stern and over the stern pulpit
> hitting me about knee high, I turned to look at the cockpit which was full
> to the seat lockers. I got pissed, put the boat in forward and pulled the
> anchor free. Once I hauled everything on deck, I swore I would never
anchor
> stern to again.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger L. Kingsland
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 10:02 AM
> To: 'Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all'
> Subject: [Public-List] Anchoring
> 
> PS (to anchoring question below) - has anyone actually tried anchoring
stern
> to the wind?
> 
> Relative to anchoring, has anyone tried paying out sufficient scope on the
> deck (with the last 30' outside the stays and stanchions) and dropping the
> anchor and chain form the stern?  The anchor could then be set w/ boat
going
> forward rather than in reverse.  Those preferring a bow to the wind
attitude
> could then let the last 30' go and switch the rhode from the stern to the
> bow.  Might work well when short handed or alone.
> 
> Roger 148
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Laco
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 8:29 AM
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> 
> Good morning Stephen -
> 
> I think what you are getting at is that between the weathercocking issue
and
> prop walk the boat will 'walk' herself up stern to the wind if one runs
the
> engine in reverse for a prolonged time while setting the anchor.  Here's
> what we do.  Again, sorry this is so long...
> 
> When anchoring we line the boat up head to wind, or rather slightly to
> starboard of head to wind.  When using the engine we give it a hard burp
in
> reverse  put sternway on then put it in neutral again.  Once the chain is
> paid out sufficiently we let it snub gently then give it a hard pull with
> the engine, again in one or more hard burps.  By starting off with her
head
> to one side of head to wind, you give yourself some 'room' for the prop
walk
> to occur before it becomes annoying.
> 
> When anchoring under sail, we make our approach with the headsail furled,
> under the main alone.  We turn up into the wind with the main luffing then
> use it to stop where we want to put the anchor by pushing the boom out to
> the shrouds - effectively backing it and generating power in reverse.
Down
> goes the anchor when sternway is on.... The chain or rope is snubbed when
> enough is out.  It doesn't matter much if the boat has yawed while backing
> down so long as the anchor gets its encouragement to set.
> 
> If it is windy and the boat starts 'hunting' back and forth we set a very
> small jib (actually from a Mirror class dinghy) along the backstay sheeted
> amidships.  That stops the boat's desire to turn downwind and she lies
> peacefully.
> 
> I forget if I asked before... Is your boat the one I saw at jetty adjacent
> to S.A.L.T.S a few years ago?
> 
> Soon we'll be sailing here and doing what I described above!
> 
> Gord #426 SURPRISE
> 
> 
> On 04/04/11 2:06 AM, "Stephen Gwyn" <gwyn at beluga.phys.uvic.ca> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> OK, how about anchoring? You always have your head into
>> the wind, and the boat always want to weathercock the other
>> way. And you need to back down hard to set the anchor;
>> gently setting the anchor is a waste of time.
>> 
>> Stephen
>> #495 Quasar
>> 
>> 
>> 
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