[Public-List] Preparation for Summer 2011

Fri Jan 14 13:49:54 PST 2011

I've heard they can be difficult to retrieve.  Was this the case for
you?

Jon

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[mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Mair
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:45 PM
To: r.kingsland at ksba.com; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Preparation for Summer 2011

We really looked into this..Not just any drogue but we have a Jordan
series
Drogue..These are made specific to the length of the boat..We made ours
from
a sailrite kit..This Drogue keeps a steady pressure on the boat and
keeps it
stern to the waves..Steady pressure is a lot less stress on the boat
than
anything that is banging on the mounting point..It mounts on two
stainless
steel brackets on the stern with a bridle so it stays centered..
  A storm anchor at the bow would mean sliding down waves with pressure
on
the rudder from the wrong direction..
  With our drogue I can tell you that in winds that were around 45
gusting
50 and waves that were about 16 feet we were moving at about 2 kts on
bare
poles..The whole night felt like a bad anchorage..
  The Jordan series Drogue has the best record for boats surviving bad
conditions than any thing else(at least when we did the research) and
after
using it we wont leave home without it...
  A lot of storm tactics fail because the mounting point of the device
gets
ripped off the deck as this is just not strong enough..
  Our mounts are 1/4 inch thick stainless each one bolted through the
hull
with 6 3/8 bolts.
 If you want I think I have pictures that show the mounting bracket.
I think if you google series drogues it will come up with a lot of
info..
Richard

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Roger L. Kingsland
<r.kingsland at ksba.com>wrote:

> Richard,  it's great to hear from someone who has been there.  I like
your
> storm tactic of hunkering down and letting it pass.  Any thoughts on
using
> a
> storm anchor (off the bow) versus a drogue (off the stern)?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Mair
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:15 PM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Preparation for Summer 2011
>
> ON the Main  We bought ours from Shoreline Sails in Toronto. It is a
Rolly
> Tasker sail and we are able to put in 2 reefs without leaving the
> cockpit.,and we still have the sliding boom.This can be done with any
main
> by the way the lower slides are attached.I recommend 3 reef points as
we
> only got 2 and wish we had 3.It would be a lot better than having to
set
> the
> try sail.
>
> The radar we have a stand alone unit from (I forget the brand but can
look
> when we are next at the boat)..It works great with the antenna mounted
on a
> pole at the stern and it does not have to be in the center.Very useful
on
> the east coast all the way down to NC..
>
> We use a 150 head sail also offshore weight on furling. It worked well
for
> us along with a drifter for when it is really light..
>
> We have a storm jib that we had intended to attach to a heavily
reinforced
> pad eye on the foredeck about half way between the bow and cabin just
> flying
> with Hilliard tension..We have never used it..all our bad weather has
been
> offshore and we take down all sails and deploy a Jordan series Drogue
and
> wait for it to pass..
>
> This is the way we went across to the Azores,Canaries,and back via the
west
> indies.I think about 12000 nm.
>  609 Into The Blue.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:18 PM, <elyse.pastor at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > Elyse and I just returned from our 2-day visit of the Toronto Boat
Show -
> > the largest in Canada.
> > How lucky we were to meet with Gordon Laco representing his products
for
> > the
> > 9-day show. "Gordon - it was great seeing and chatting with you
again -
> > thanks!!!"
> >
> > The preparation of our "LADY HERON" was our main objective visiting
the
> > show. Our plan is to make her ready for the July 2011 voyage from
> Montreal
> > to St-Pierre et Miquelon (near Newfoundland) and back - an estimated
> total
> > of about 1500nm.
> >
> > It is organized as a small flotilla and considered to be the trial
of
> > the 2012 Atlantic crossing - something we will talk to you early
next
> year.
> >
> > The reason of our writing today - we want your help and advise
regarding
> > the sails etc..
> >
> >
> >
> >  The first problem we have with
> > the present set-up:
> >
> > 1.) The adaptation of the 1st and 2nd reef is too
> > complicated and requires too many manual adjustments. The reason to
this
> > problem
> > is - the boom is on a sliding track. When the main sail is in 100% -
no
> > problem. If we want to take the 1st reef, it is required to remove
> > one slide from the "STRONG Sail Track and Slide System" in order to
bring
> > the reefing location to the
> > appropriate height. For the second reef, it is required to remove
another
> > slide
> > including the slide with the first batten (in total 3 slides). All
this
> is
> > quite difficult considering the weather is getting worse for the 1st
> > and 2nd reefing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Our idea is as follows:
> >
> > 1.) Remove the sliding track of the boom and install the boom fix to
the
> > mast at its lowest position (how shall we do that and install/fix
the
> boom
> > to the mast???).
> >
> > 2.) Extend the "STRONG Sail Track and Slide System" of the main sail
all
> > the way down to the new
> > position of the boom (about 18" long).
> >
> >
> >
> > We expect that this will allow us to set the 1st and 2nd
> > reef without touching any of the slides.
> >
> >
> >
> > Our second problem:
> >
> > 1.) We presently have only our main sail and a 120 Jib. The main
sale
> > needs to be replaced while the 120 is almost new.
> >
> >
> >
> > Our idea is as follows:
> >
> > 1.) To get the new main sale with 2 reefs (or 3???)
> >
> > 2.) To get a 160 for soft wind situations?!
> >
> > 3.) To get a 70 or 80 storm jib?!
> >
> > 4.) Install/construct an inner forestay to allow the placement of
the
> > storm jib (and how to do it???).
> >
> >
> >
> > Our third problem:
> >
> > The St-Lawrence
> >  River is known for its
> > fog and therefore requires a radar for safe navigation. We have
received
> > contradictory information as to where the radar should be installed
(the
> > mast
> > or the backstay). Because we have the Standard Horizon 180i GPS, the
only
> > compatible radar manufacturer would be "SI-TEX" (we consider Model
> MDS-8).
> >
> > Another solution would be the stand-alone unit by FURUNO (Radar
Model
> 1623
> > includes its own display unit).
> >
> > The last unit (and in my opinion the most precise radar) would be
the
> > LOWRANCE which has the most precise radar system available. However,
if
> we
> > would purchase this radar, we also would have to purchase another
GPS
> > (Approximately $1,000 more then any of the other systems).
> >
> >
> >
> > Considering this, we would like to have some advice from anybody who
can
> > help us or owners who have done this. We certainly look forward to
all
> the
> > information and to better ideas.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Bruno & Elyse
> >
> > Lady Heron 297
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