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Sat Jul 30 03:49:37 PDT 2011


Mike,
Two suggested larger access targets are (1) the plug on the right side of the engine beneath the carb or (2) remove the top cover plate on the transmission.
I would suggest (2) because access is easier and most of the fluid will drain to that area. Downside is pulling the spark plugs and piling enough padding on the engine head to limit those nasty head bolts and other fittings from denting your chest as you caress the engine to remove the bolts and cover.
Choosing (1) means that you only have one fitting to remove and replace with each oil change.
Good luck,
Randy #283 




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dan,
  yikes...water up to the cushions...thats some kinda nitemare...so, i'm in for 
a few oil changes...whats the quickist/less messy way as i have not changed the 
oil yet...someone suggested the drain on the pan but i ca'nt even see it(the 
pan)...& not much room to get a container underneath to hold 5 quarts...unless i 
pull the fly wheel assembly...can i suck it through the oil fill tube as the dip 
stick one is rather small...electric fuel or water pump?...mike

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   1. Atomic 4 water in the engine [was Re:  atomic 4]
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   2. Re: atomic 4 grey goo (Mike Lehman)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:04:05 -0400
From: Daniel Sternglass <dans at stmktg.com>
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Subject: [Public-List] Atomic 4 water in the engine [was Re:  atomic
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Mike,

Two comments on your engine problem and the responses:

(1) I had to clear my engine of water after it filled with (fresh) water 
a few years ago. It was a joint-stupidity, a I forgot to re-connect a 
cooling hose with a path to the through-hull, and the normally highly 
expert guy who launched it failed to check the bilge before going to 
lunch. At least it was left in the slings, water almost up to the 
cushions in the cabin, big mess etc. At that time I learned from an 
experienced mechanic that, under my circumstances it would (and did!) 
take 6 or more oil changes to clear the milk-like oil/water mix. Run it 
only a 5-10 seconds on the first change, and a little longer after each. 
Not sure how much that would apply to your engine, but you can crank 
with the starter with the water disconnected, or it's OK if you only run 
it 10-20 seconds at a time, enough to circulate and mix up the goo so 
you can drain it. My fairly extensive experience with A-4 cooling 
problems has taught me that if the top of the cylinder head is <  about 
220F no damage will occur, except maybe to the water pump. So the old 
"lick your finger" and see if it steams has worked for me as an early 
warning for overheating problems while testing (in cases where the 
temperature gage is inop or there is no water flow).

(2) New Atomic-4 engine blocks, as well as built-up short blocks have 
just become available in the past month or two from Don Moyer at Moyer 
marine, so you do have some options if you have the ambition to rebuild, 
or transfer most of the engine accessories over the winter....

Don is very helpful when people call him, would definitely suggest you 
call before pulling the engine if you have questions not addressed on 
his bulletin boards.

www.moyermarine.com

I just finally finished solving a series of fuel system and intermittent 
ignition system problems, so I am hoping to get in some more sailing, 
only out 3 times so far this year...

Good luck!

--Dan S.
Watcher of the Skies, #201, 1966, Cayuga Lake, Ithaca, NY

-- 
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Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:33:12 -0400
From: Mike Lehman <Sail_505 at hotmail.com>
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I would drain the oil from the drain plug on the bottom of the pan.

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thanx for the reply, i will be checking the water pump asap & croosing my 
fingers...any suggestions for removing the contaminated oil...mike

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Today's Topics:

   1. bolt at mast top (Debra Fontaine)
   2. Re: swim ladder (Debra Fontaine)
   3. atomic 4 (mr smith)
   4. Re: atomic 4 (Mike Lehman)
   5. Re: bolt at mast top (crufone at comcast.net)
   6. mast weight (dan walker)
   7. Re: mast weight (Mike Lehman)
   8. Re: atomic 4 (moiraeiii at aol.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:19:33 -0700
From: Debra Fontaine <debrafontaine at live.com>
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Subject: [Public-List] bolt at mast top
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I am using a wire to rope halyard. rope was too fat to fit through space 
between sheave and plate covering sheave. So I just had a new halyard made.


Debra Fontaine

~250-923-1953~


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> Does anybody know the size of the bolt that holds the plate across the top 
> of the mast to prevent the halyard from jumping. I need to buy one before 
> I climb up. Anyone have trouble with halyard jumping? How did you fix it? 
> Debra on La Paloma
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> Debra,
>
> The bolt that holds the sheave as well as the side plates is 1/2 inch.
> It also holds the side stays. So I do not believe this would be your
> problem.
>
> There are also two small plates (one in front and one behind) which
> might be what has come loose. These are held in place with 4 small sheet
> metal screws each and are  located above the sheave. You are probably
> going to need to make an exploratory trip up the mast.
>
> It sounds like you may have a worn sheave.
>
> Are you running a wire or rope halyard?
>
> -tom s
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/26/2011 5:14 PM, Debra Fontaine wrote:
> > Does anybody know the size of the bolt that holds the plate across the 
> > top of the mast to prevent the halyard from jumping. I need to buy one 
> > before I climb up. Anyone have trouble with halyard jumping? How did you 
> > fix it? Debra on La Paloma
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:33:51 -0700
From: Debra Fontaine <debrafontaine at live.com>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] swim ladder
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Could you please send me photos of your swim ladder also. Debra on La Paloma 
thanks



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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:13:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: mr smith <jungsters3 at yahoo.com>
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Subject: [Public-List] atomic 4
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hello,
looks like i'm pulling my motor as i'm getting water mixing with the 
oil...almost certain it's not from the head as i had it planed & fluxed for 
cracks & used 2 head gaskets...so, since there's no oil burning?with the 
exhaust?it has to be internal...i first noticed it(grayish oily goo) leaking 
from the front oil pan crank seal...checking the dip stick & oil fill 
revealed the same stuff...since the oil also lubes the tranny, how long can 
i leave it in the engine/trans before it does more harm&can i still save the 
motor?...any suggestions for getting?the goo?out...i'm thinking engine 
flush/oil change but i will have to run the motor again without water...any 
suggestions will be greatly appreciated...thanx...mike

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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:50:20 -0400
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Mike

This is not a good sign. If it is a cracked block you are done with that
engine as no more blocks are available. You Should drain the engine oil
completely as soon as possible, fill if with fresh oil and see if the new
oil becomes water contaminated. If the new oil gets water in it you will
need to find the source. Possible place to start is the water pump. If the
seals (or shaft) are bad in the water pump it could be exchanging water and
oil.

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Subject: [Public-List] atomic 4

hello,
looks like i'm pulling my motor as i'm getting water mixing with the
oil...almost certain it's not from the head as i had it planed & fluxed for
cracks & used 2 head gaskets...so, since there's no oil burning with the
exhaust it has to be internal...i first noticed it(grayish oily goo) leaking
from the front oil pan crank seal...checking the dip stick & oil fill
revealed the same stuff...since the oil also lubes the tranny, how long can
i leave it in the engine/trans before it does more harm&can i still save the
motor?...any suggestions for getting the goo out...i'm thinking engine
flush/oil change but i will have to run the motor again without water...any
suggestions will be greatly appreciated...thanx...mike
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:19:37 +0000 (UTC)
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Debra,

On a rope to wire halyard the wire should be long enough so that it never 
reaches the sheave when lowering the sail. The rope part is the messenger 
line to hoist the wire. On my mast there are two cheek plates to prevent 
jumping held on by small sheet metal screws. The pivot bolt does not come 
into play to prevent jumping of the halyard.

Michael



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Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 8:19:33 PM
Subject: [Public-List] bolt at mast top



I am using a wire to rope halyard. rope was too fat to fit through space 
between sheave and plate covering sheave. So I just had a new halyard made.
?

Debra Fontaine

~250-923-1953~


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> Does anybody know the size of the bolt that holds the plate across the top 
> of the mast to prevent the halyard from jumping. I need to buy one before 
> I climb up. Anyone have trouble with halyard jumping? How did you fix it? 
> Debra on La Paloma
>
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> Debra,
>
> The bolt that holds the sheave as well as the side plates is 1/2 inch.
> It also holds the side stays. So I do not believe this would be your
> problem.
>
> There are also two small plates (one in front and one behind) which
> might be what has come loose. These are held in place with 4 small sheet
> metal screws each and are ?located above the sheave. You are probably
> going to need to make an exploratory trip up the mast.
>
> It sounds like you may have a worn sheave.
>
> Are you running a wire or rope halyard?
>
> -tom s
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/26/2011 5:14 PM, Debra Fontaine wrote:
> > Does anybody know the size of the bolt that holds the plate across the 
> > top of the mast to prevent the halyard from jumping. I need to buy one 
> > before I climb up. Anyone have trouble with halyard jumping? How did you 
> > fix it? Debra on La Paloma
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:43:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: dan walker <dsailormon at yahoo.com>
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does any one know the approximate weight of the alberg 30 mast?
thanks
dan


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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:56:11 -0400
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Hi Dan

I always use the 250-300 range with the rigging attached

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does any one know the approximate weight of the alberg 30 mast?
thanks
dan
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
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I thought this might help. http://moyermarine.com/ Consider our new block 
assembly to give your engine a new heart!
Randy





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Mike

This is not a good sign. If it is a cracked block you are done with that
engine as no more blocks are available. You Should drain the engine oil
completely as soon as possible, fill if with fresh oil and see if the new
oil becomes water contaminated. If the new oil gets water in it you will
need to find the source. Possible place to start is the water pump. If the
seals (or shaft) are bad in the water pump it could be exchanging water and
oil.

-----Original Message----- 
From: mr smith
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:13 AM
To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Subject: [Public-List] atomic 4

hello,
looks like i'm pulling my motor as i'm getting water mixing with the
oil...almost certain it's not from the head as i had it planed & fluxed for
cracks & used 2 head gaskets...so, since there's no oil burning with the
exhaust it has to be internal...i first noticed it(grayish oily goo) leaking
from the front oil pan crank seal...checking the dip stick & oil fill
revealed the same stuff...since the oil also lubes the tranny, how long can
i leave it in the engine/trans before it does more harm&can i still save the
motor?...any suggestions for getting the goo out...i'm thinking engine
flush/oil change but i will have to run the motor again without water...any
suggestions will be greatly appreciated...thanx...mike
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:47:12 -0400
From: John Finnie <jackandgloria at gmail.com>
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I have a 1964 30ft alberg with no table I understand the table  was allso
the couver for the chan locker


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