[Public-List] Roller Furling for Sale

Tim Adelman TAdelman at hospitallaw.com
Fri Mar 11 11:39:12 PST 2011 

Anyone looking for a RF.  We are looking to swap out our RF system and sail for a hank on system and sail.  Would prefer it for racing.  

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Roger, A year or so ago, i was thinking of doing the same thing, alocal sailmaker told me it would only cost a couple of hundred dollars to convert a hanked sail to RF tape, plus add UV strips.  might be worth looking into...

Glenn b
dolce

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On Mar 11, 2011, at 10:07 AM, "Roger L. Kingsland" <r.kingsland at ksba.com> wrote:

> To go back to a page discussion a few years ago, my PO put in roller 
> furling but only had 1 RF sail that was in bad shape.  I replaced it 
> w/ a 170 from a J-boat I bought at Bacons for $245. Looks to be in 
> good shape and has really cool collapsing battens but no UV strip at foot & leach.
> 
> (Sidebar: I was thinking of a way to hoist a small, separate triangle 
> of Sunbrella that I could wrap a few times around w/ the RF when back 
> at the dock; perhaps just a zippered sleeve, although that couldn't be 
> tapered so it would be too big at the head.  Heck, maybe just paint 
> the foot & leach with Interlux.)
> 
> I also have a working jib, and 130 that are in good shape but have hanks.
> Rather than change those to bolt ropes, I thought of putting a second 
> head stay 8"+/- aft of the RF (I noticed "Jean Du Sud" has side by 
> side head stays which eliminates having to furl the forward headsail 
> to tack but I wonder if side by side impacts upwind performance?) This 
> would allow one to hank on a smaller sail, douse the RF sail and raise 
> the smaller sail as the wind increases, perhaps without leaving the cockpit.
> 
> Some "pagers" opined putting the optimum tension load on both head 
> stays would require doubling the tension and "banana" the boat; I 
> checked with a rigging guy who said the wind load on the active stay 
> would cause the inactive stay to sag thereby transferring all the 
> tension load to the active stay (still trying to wrap my head around the physics of that one).
> 
> So, what to do?  I'm thinking of making a removable "aft" head stay 
> for my hank on sails.  Make about a 30" SS or aluminum bar hinged to 
> the aft hole of the bow fitting and fastened to the deck at aft end.  
> Connect the head stay (perhaps w/ a macho snap shackle; one of which I 
> got for half price not realizing how darn big it was) about 3" aft of the hinge for leverage.
> 
> In light air, disconnect aft head stay (w/ or wo/ sail hanked on) so 
> the 170 doesn't need to be furled when tacking; wind picks up, connect 
> the aft head stay (and suffer thru furling during tacks) and switch to the smaller hanked
> on sail at the appropriate wind speed.       
> 
> 
> What think you folks?
> 
> Roger 148
> 
> 
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence 
> Morris
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:22 AM
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> 
> I have RF and I wouldnt own a boat without it. 
> 
> I never had to flatten sails to roll smoothly. However you can only 
> sail with the sail completely unfurled. A partially furled sail has 
> lousy performance and destroys the sail shape.
> 
> My 2 cents!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Larry Morris
> 
> On Mar 11, 2011, at 9:07, Jonathan Adams <laughing_gull at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> When a sail has to be rolled, the bag needs to be cut out of the luff 
>> so
> that it
>> rolls nicely. This takes much of the power out of the sail - 
>> especially if
> it is
>> a big sail (if you are rolling a small sail the bag is less of an 
>> issue),,
> and
>> if you are in light wind places - like the chesapeake, you never 
>> really
> use a
>> small sail. I rarely come off the 170, and if I do, it is to the 150.
>> 
>> when 5 knots is a good speed, a flat sail can bring you down a knot 
>> or
> 20%. This
>> adds up if you are going any distance.
>> 
>> I have been sailing along side much bigger boats (Benneteau 45s) with 
>> all
> roller
>> furling and been going faster, and have had to attribute it to the sails. 
>> However. I have also noticed a correlation between people that have 
>> all
> roller
>> furling and people who appear to be sailing challenged. If you know 
>> how to
> make
>> your boat go fast, do you buy all roller furling? Maybe you just do 
>> not
> care,
>> and since you have a big engine, you just start it when you have go fast?
> This
>> is an option we do not have so readily.
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> From: John Riley <jriley at dsbscience.com>
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>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 8:29:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Roller Furling for Sale
>> 
>> darrell ezra wrote:
>>> why ?
>>> isn't roller furlling the way to go?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Personal choice.
>> 
>> We don't have a furler and refuse to install one.  Some may disagree, 
>> but our boat...our choices.
>> 
>> RF vs hanks is one of those topics that almost always results in an 
>> argument on sailing forums...along with downhaul vs cunningham and 
>> which anchor is best.
>> 
>> --
>> John S. Riley
>> S/V Gaelic Sea
>> 1972 Alberg 30 #521
>> 
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