[Public-List] Conversion of water tank to holding tank

Tue Oct 25 11:21:27 PDT 2011

Gord,

I noticed, when close hauled, the working jib can be sheeted thru the inner
traveler (inside the stays)in the middle of the deck (and I thought they
were there just so I could stub my toes).  Would that sail configuration
allow better pointing angles and better "velocity made good"?

Roger

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Hi Roger - the navigable part was only about 60' in places....

On 25/10/11 2:07 PM, "Roger L. Kingsland" <r.kingsland at ksba.com> wrote:

> Good stuff Gord.  Minnicog sounds about as wide as my Allegheny River.
> 
> Roger
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> Hi Roger  - 
> 
> You're correct about the bladder tanks.  I wouldn't recommend one unless
it
> could be installed in a very smooth basin-like compartment... Sort of like
> the interior of an integral tank!
> 
> By the way - we completed the 2011 Misery Cruise this past weekend.  The
> weather was fairly balmy, wind was only 8-10kts but solidly steady.  No
> misery.   So to get our pulses going we resolved not to use the engine.
We
> actually beat up the Minnicognashene Channel taking 12 tacks to advance
the
> 120 meter long narrow part.  Poor SURPRISE was only about 1.5 boat lengths
> on the majority of those tacks before I called 'ready about - ABOUT' again
> and again.  We had a yacht under power behind us but they were good sports
> and cheered us on.  The evening on Saturday was lovely - not at all cold
and
> the stars were reflected on the still water, so looking down was nearly
the
> same as looking up.  The only flaw was that we are still in a year of
> minimums for northern lights so didn't see any.  Later we retired to the
> cabin and told old sailing stories while the woodstove glowed and the load
> line in the Glayva bottle went down.
> 
> Coming home Sunday, the wind had gone south so after sailing off the
anchor
> we had to beat out through Minnicog again - dead upwind both ways!  Did it
> in 9 tacks this time (starboard tack was a bit more of a 'gainer' this
time)
> then had a romping beat home, again with starboard tack being the gainer
and
> port the 'setter'.
> 
> Great trip, but no misery.  I'll have to try and squeak in another one
> before freeze up really ends the season.  Pim take note...
> 
> Gord #426 SURPRISE
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> On 25/10/11 1:38 PM, "Roger L. Kingsland" <r.kingsland at ksba.com> wrote:
> 
>> Michael,
>> 
>> I fiber glassed the areas under the aft end of the V berth to make 2, 20
>> gallon+/- tanks; one for holding and the other for who knows what.  I
> bought
>> a 3 part polypropylene (same stuff used for holding tanks) coating system
> to
>> apply inside the compartments but haven't done it yet.
>> 
>> I made full size plywood tops with a plan to apply a few coats then
> install
>> the tops when last coat is wet.  My only concern with coating the forward
>> tank would be being able to reach all surfaces with a roller or paint
> brush.
>> 
>> RE bladder tanks, others on the page have indicated they can chafe and
> leak
>> which would be uber yucky.
>> 
>> Roger 148  
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>> 
>> George and others,
>> 
>> What about applying a coating to the inside of the water tank if human
> waste
>> does absorb into the fiberglass tank material? Could one install a
> flexible
>> bladder tank into the original water tank? Has anyone done either of
these
>> two procedures? 
>> 
>> Michael #133 
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