[Public-List] Keel bolts
Gordon Laco
mainstay at csolve.net
Wed Apr 11 05:52:47 PDT 2012
Ah!
On 11/04/12 8:51 AM, "Bill Newman" <newman423 at rogers.com> wrote:
> Brian,
>
> I expect that the bolts that you see may have been used to hoist the ballast
> into place.
>
> Bill Newman
> Marion Rose 111
> #233
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>> 1. Re: Pu keel bolt question (Kris Coward)
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>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:03:46 -0400
>> From: Kris Coward <kris at melon.org>
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>> Nuts that were dropped down there once upon a time?
>>
>> -K
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 04:48:14PM -0400, brian curry wrote:
>>>
>>> Got my answer on keel bolts, we have internal ballast. But I think I am
>>> seeing something that looks like the head of a bolt (actually a couple of
>>> them) in the bilge under the cabin sole. Could that be?
>>>
>>>
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>>>> 1. Re: questions about keel and keel bolts, (George Dinwiddie)
>>>> 2. Re: questions about keel and keel bolts, (Mike Lehman)
>>>> 3. Re: Battle of the Bolt (Mike Lehman)
>>>> 4. Re: Battle of the Bolt (crufone at comcast.net)
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:16:06 -0400
>>>> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
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>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] questions about keel and keel bolts,
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>>>> On 4/5/12 10:50 PM, brian curry wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a question about something I saw a while back. Do our boats
>>>>> have keel bolts?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:56:27 -0400
>>>> From: Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] questions about keel and keel bolts,
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>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> The A30 has internal ballast which does not require keel bolts
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: brian curry
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:50 PM
>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] questions about keel and keel bolts,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a question about something I saw a while back. Do our boats have
>>>> keel bolts?
>>>>
>>>> Brian Curry
>>>> Makai #151
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Stock bow water tank circa #329ish (Len Payne)
>>>>> 2. North Channel - July? (Len Payne)
>>>>> 3. Re: Sealing cockpit coamings (George Dinwiddie)
>>>>> 4. Re: North Channel - July? (Gordon Laco)
>>>>> 5. Re: Albergers in the South of France Alberg vs Beneteau
>>>>> (Stephen Gwyn)
>>>>> 6. Battle of the Bolt (Jeffrey)
>>>>> 7. Re: Battle of the Bolt (Michael Grosh)
>>>>> 8. Re: Battle of the Bolt (crufone at comcast.net)
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:00:29 -0600
>>>>> From: "Len Payne" <lenpayne at bresnan.net>
>>>>> To: <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Stock bow water tank circa #329ish
>>>>> Message-ID: <E2A861147E064F749309FF741EF70E61 at sinks3244d14f9>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Jim,
>>>>> According to the stock drawings of the Alberg 30, that is a factory
>>>>> tank
>>>>> that holds 30 gallons.
>>>>> The top of the tank is right at the waterline of the boat, with the
>>>>> "Vee"
>>>>> seat and small drawer just above the water tank.
>>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>> Len
>>>>> (still up for the circumnavigation? I'm headed to Charlevoix next
>>>>> week to
>>>>> finish the work on "Myranda", my A-35)
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:05:57 -0600
>>>>> From: "Len Payne" <lenpayne at bresnan.net>
>>>>> To: <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] North Channel - July?
>>>>> Message-ID: <5043D4099B2148D4B8737C01E5F71258 at sinks3244d14f9>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> John - Brian - care for the company of a A-35?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Myranda" should be in the water and have passed her 'trials' by then
>>>>> ....
>>>>> and ready for a decent sail.
>>>>> Len
>>>>> "Myranda" A-35 #192
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:11:20 -0400
>>>>> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
>>>>> To: Bill Newman <newman423 at sympatico.ca>, Alberg 30 Public List --
>>>>> open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Sealing cockpit coamings
>>>>> Message-ID: <F01C91BD-6984-4B69-9A98-14DD905C63ED at alberg30.org>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> On Calypso, #543, I cleaned off all the old Dolfenite and used
>>>>> 2"x1/16" (I
>>>>> think, might have been 1/8") neoprene gasket along the top of the
>>>>> Fiberglas behind the coaming. After reassembly, I put a fillet of
>>>>> caulk
>>>>> along this seam, also.
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from a primitive pocket computer. Please assume all errors are
>>>>> due to
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 13:58, "Bill Newman" <newman423 at rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have removed the cockpit coamings for refinishing on #233 for the
>>>>>> third time since I bought it in 1998. I have been thinking about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> best way to seal them to prevent water on deck from running onto
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> seats. The coamings are of the old type with a piece of teak
>>>>>> quarter
>>>>>> round on the outboard side. I am thinking that this time I will
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> seal the quarter round to the coamings and seal the bottom of the
>>>>>> quarter round to the deck. I don't believe any sealant below this
>>>>>> level
>>>>>> will to much good and may trap water that does get past the seal
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> cause rot. I will also want to remove them again in a few years so
>>>>>> 5200
>>>>>> probably isn't a good idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any comments from anyone who has done this will be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Newman
>>>>>> Marion Rose III, #233
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>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:39:09 -0400
>>>>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
>>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] North Channel - July?
>>>>> Message-ID: <CBA37B2D.7FD7%mainstay at csolve.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Gents - if you make it to Southern Georgian Bay please be our
>>>>> guests... Google Midland Bay Sailing Club.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/04/12 4:05 PM, "Len Payne" <lenpayne at bresnan.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John - Brian - care for the company of a A-35?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Myranda" should be in the water and have passed her 'trials' by
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> .... and
>>>>>> ready for a decent sail.
>>>>>> Len
>>>>>> "Myranda" A-35 #192
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:40:09 -0700
>>>>> From: Stephen Gwyn <stephen.gwyn at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
>>>>> To: "public-list at lists.alberg30.org" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Albergers in the South of France Alberg vs
>>>>> Beneteau
>>>>> Message-ID: <4F7E1139.2060205 at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure we would have made it upwind in an Alberg:
>>>>> it was blowing pretty hard. But we might have, slowly.
>>>>> And we would have been safer and happier. This was a Beneteau 29.
>>>>> You really had to keep a hand ready to dump the main to avoid
>>>>> broaching. And there were no grab handles down below so the
>>>>> boat lurched, you tended to go flying. I've never been seasick
>>>>> on an Alberg (except sometimes, when I'm down below). I was
>>>>> queasy on this boat, 3 days out of 4. The other day was spent
>>>>> in a harbour.
>>>>>
>>>>> The flat bottom sections meant that if there was even
>>>>> 2 inches of chop at the dock, you got kept up all night
>>>>> with wave slap.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the plus side, the galley was much, much better than the
>>>>> spartan accommodations on the A30. The amount of back strain
>>>>> I've had cooking in the A30 galley is considerable.
>>>>>
>>>>> SG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:51:04 -0400
>>>>> From: Jeffrey <alberg30nh at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAMRY+94G0etgXWWbh-O5FdEaakwo84SREYT4X2SCyYCnzqzK=Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>>>>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>>>>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. Luckily, there
>>>>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>>>>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind
>>>>> out
>>>>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a couple
>>>>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't that
>>>>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. When I drilled
>>>>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>>>>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with my
>>>>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>>>>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>>>>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. I got the
>>>>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>>>>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole to
>>>>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>>>>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still cannot
>>>>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>>>>>
>>>>> See:
>>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS0
>>>>> ffzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>>
>>>>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the threads.
>>>>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>>>>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my tiller
>>>>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and
>>>>> cut
>>>>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. How difficult to tap bronze? I'm
>>>>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>>>>>
>>>>> See:
>>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS0
>>>>> ffzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>>
>>>>> Once (if) successful, should I use a steel or bronze bolt for this??
>>>>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>>>>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion substance
>>>>> like tef-gel??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:13:50 -0400
>>>>> From: Michael Grosh <dickdurk at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAO99GuEErE7Cik3WKV22cNAHYm6DzpcRwE2WzSQGkyzhBwCK_w at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> Bronze is a wonderful metal to work with. I stripped the threads
>>>>> holding
>>>>> the set screw and installed threads ( I forget the name of the
>>>>> product,
>>>>> but
>>>>> they are stainless and have held up well 30 years) after drilling and
>>>>> tapping to accommodate them. The set bolt size remains the same.
>>>>> I never seize everything on reinstall.
>>>>> MichaelGrosh
>>>>> #220
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2012 6:51 PM, "Jeffrey" <alberg30nh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>>>>>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>>>>>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. Luckily, there
>>>>>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>>>>>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. When I drilled
>>>>>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>>>>>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>>>>>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>>>>>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. I got
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>>>>>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>>>>>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still
>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See:
>>>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS
>>>>>> 0ffzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the
>>>>>> threads.
>>>>>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>>>>>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my
>>>>>> tiller
>>>>>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. How difficult to tap bronze?
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See:
>>>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS
>>>>>> 0ffzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once (if) successful, should I use a steel or bronze bolt for
>>>>>> this??
>>>>>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>>>>>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion
>>>>>> substance
>>>>>> like tef-gel??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 00:56:21 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> From: crufone at comcast.net
>>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <1356577774.943589.1333673781474.JavaMail.root at sz0102a.westchester.pa.mail
>>>>> .comcast.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> The trade name is Heli-coil. Produces a thread the same internal size
>>>>> as
>>>>> the original bolt. I would use Anti-seize on anything put together on
>>>>> a
>>>>> boat that would need periodic disassembly. Anti-seize would also work
>>>>> to
>>>>> prevent the stainless to stainless galling which really causes
>>>>> problems
>>>>> when trying to disassemble fittings.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Michael Grosh" <dickdurk at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:13:50 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>>>>
>>>>> Bronze is a wonderful metal to work with. I stripped the threads
>>>>> holding
>>>>> the set screw and installed threads ( I forget the name of the
>>>>> product,
>>>>> but
>>>>> they are stainless and have held up well 30 years) after drilling and
>>>>> tapping to accommodate them. The set bolt size remains the same.
>>>>> I never seize everything on reinstall.
>>>>> MichaelGrosh
>>>>> #220
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2012 6:51 PM, "Jeffrey" <alberg30nh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>>>>>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>>>>>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. ?Luckily, there
>>>>>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>>>>>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. ?When I
>>>>>> drilled
>>>>>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>>>>>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>>>>>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>>>>>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. ?I got
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>>>>>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>>>>>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still
>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See:
>>>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS
>>>>>> 0ffzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the
>>>>>> threads.
>>>>>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>>>>>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my
>>>>>> tiller
>>>>>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. ?How difficult to tap bronze?
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See:
>>>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS
>>>>>> 0ffzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once (if) successful, ?should I use a steel or bronze bolt for
>>>>>> this??
>>>>>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>>>>>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion
>>>>>> substance
>>>>>> like tef-gel??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
>>>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>>>>>> Please support them.
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:03:28 -0400
>>>> From: Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>>> Message-ID: <BAY170-DS303A63AC97FCE1AC5FBE74B7300 at phx.gbl>
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>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> I believe that in this application a SS bolt would be fine. You should
>>>> not
>>>> have SS corrosion like you would if the bolt were underwater, like the
>>>> rudder shoe bolt.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jeffrey
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:51 PM
>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>>>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>>>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. Luckily, there
>>>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>>>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind out
>>>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>>>>
>>>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a couple
>>>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't that
>>>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. When I drilled
>>>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>>>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>>>>
>>>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with my
>>>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>>>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>>>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. I got the
>>>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>>>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole to
>>>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>>>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still cannot
>>>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>>>>
>>>> See:
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS0f
>>>> fzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>
>>>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the threads.
>>>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>>>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my tiller
>>>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and cut
>>>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. How difficult to tap bronze? I'm
>>>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>>>>
>>>> See:
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS0f
>>>> fzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>
>>>> Once (if) successful, should I use a steel or bronze bolt for this??
>>>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>>>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion substance
>>>> like tef-gel??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:54:35 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: crufone at comcast.net
>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
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>>>>
>>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jeffrey" <alberg30nh at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:28:53 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>>>
>>>> Heli coil did cross my mind, except for the mixing of metals. Wouldn't
>>>> all
>>>> bronze be better?
>>>> On Apr 5, 2012 8:56 PM, <crufone at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The trade name is Heli-coil. Produces a thread the same internal size
>>>>> as
>>>>> the original bolt. I would use Anti-seize on anything put together on
>>>>> a
>>>>> boat that would need periodic disassembly. Anti-seize would also work
>>>>> to
>>>>> prevent the stainless to stainless galling which really causes
>>>>> problems
>>>>> when trying to disassemble fittings.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Michael Grosh" <dickdurk at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:13:50 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>>>>
>>>>> Bronze is a wonderful metal to work with. I stripped the threads
>>>>> holding
>>>>> the set screw and installed threads ( I forget the name of the
>>>>> product, but
>>>>> they are stainless and have held up well 30 years) after drilling and
>>>>> tapping to accommodate them. The set bolt size remains the same.
>>>>> I never seize everything on reinstall.
>>>>> MichaelGrosh
>>>>> #220
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2012 6:51 PM, "Jeffrey" <alberg30nh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>>>>>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>>>>>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. ?Luckily, there
>>>>>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>>>>>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. ?When I
>>>>>> drilled
>>>>>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>>>>>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>>>>>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>>>>>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. ?I got
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>>>>>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>>>>>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still
>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See:
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS0
>>>>> ffzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the
>>>>>> threads.
>>>>>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>>>>>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my
>>>>>> tiller
>>>>>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. ?How difficult to tap bronze?
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See:
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS0
>>>>> ffzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once (if) successful, ?should I use a steel or bronze bolt for
>>>>>> this??
>>>>>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>>>>>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion
>>>>>> substance
>>>>>> like tef-gel??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
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