[Public-List] inner staysl shown on original Whitby Brochure??

[John Birch]

When I had my 30 I asked North about the Spin staysl on the A30's sailplan.

They said, don't use it - the deck is unsupported and sooner or later you'll 
keep it up for too long, go over a wave and pop the deck.

As for affixing a storm jib, double forget about it unless you plan to do 
some reengineering.

As for the MGB Gord, sweet, though I prefer the Healy 3000 III or the XK 
150 - just a personal thing.

But the Miata is proof that a sports car can be made practical & reliable 
and handle well - pity it took the Japanese to figure it out for us ; ) 
Wonder what Mazda could do with a reissue/reliable 3000 or XK.

That would be something to behold.

ATB

John



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Public-List] inner staysl shown on original Whitby Brochure??


> Hello Don -
>
> You're correct, the issues between the staysail and the spinnaker will get
> worse if the intermediate sail is set on the forestay as would be the case
> if a smaller jib were used as a spinnaker staysail.  The thing is if you 
> get
> the staysail's luff closer to the 'chute, that's not a good thing.
>
> Back in the early '60's people were playing with divided foresail
> combinations but the practice has died out.  In very large boats it can 
> work
> but generally not in boats under 40'.
>
> Ah, the old Whitby Folkboat vs International Folkboat thing.  Yes, Kurt
> built some with masthead rigs.  I've never sailed one but imagine the 
> larger
> genny was a good thing.   I reckon some of the Folkboat's incredible
> pointing ability was compromised, but on all other points of sail I'm sure
> it was an improvement.   But of course one cannot consider the masthead
> boats were 'real' Folkboats.
>
> And THAT reminds me of the first time I drove a Mazda Miata.  I have owned
> an MGB for 27 years.... When I drove the Miata I was astonished at it's
> nimblness and smooth power.  All the gauges worked, the engine idled, 
> there
> were no funny burning odours and it's owner proudly told me he intended to
> drive it all year round.  I thought to myself "so this is what MG was 
> trying
> to create.."
>
> But then I thought, what's the point?  Nothing to worry about, nothing to
> tinker with, no awkward and/or dangerous characteristics to proudly 
> endure.
> I'll keep the MG...
>
>
> Gord
>
>
>
>
> On 09/03/12 11:12 AM, "Don Campbell" <dk.campbell at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> Mike :
>>      Have the rules been changed so that no head sail can fly with a
>> spinnaker?  As of 2010,  Chesapeake race rule  (15D) specifically does
>> not allow spinnaker stay sails, but  'any allowed headsail may be flown
>> with the spinnaker'. Since the working jib has a luff of 30', that might
>> make the difficulties Gord has encountered with a chute and staysail
>> even greater.
>>      Rule 14 D within the Canadian rules does allow spinnaker staysails.
>>
>>      At the same time, there may have been  some very different ideas by
>> Aberg. It is my understanding that theAL30 was originally a fractional
>> rig design and  it was Kurt Hansen who changed the forestay based on his
>> experience with Folkboats in Humber Bay at Toronto (light air and heavy
>> boats). Undoubtedly the headsail sizes changed then too.
>>      Gord may wish to comment on the differences in designed rig between
>> a European and WBW Folkboat.
>> Don
>> #528
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