[Public-List] Circumnavigations; Entry in CBAA Handbook?

[Glennb]

Hi Michael,

I think its a wonderful idea to honor circumnavigators who have taken A-30's around the world! it is a special feat worthy of distinction.

personally I cringe at the notion that only those who cross some arbitrary antipodal point, or other geometric anomaly in their voyage are "true" circumnavigators.  I've always thought circumnavigation involved crossing many oceans to circle the globe, by whatever whatever ports of call one wished to visit, then after exploring foreign lands, continuing onwards to whence you first departed.   striking a great circle route is only relevant if one is an Anglophile following the tradition of Rule Britania  from some Port in the northern hemisphere!  I amuse myself occasionally by wondering what rules of navigational  etiquette  we would insist on if by some geologic accident, the British Ises had been placed in the vicinity of say, Madagascar, rather than the North Sea. No doubt the sailing elite would now insist that circumnavigation be considered only as doubling the southern capes!

BTW, I was astounded to learn of the Alberger who circumnavigated in the 80's, and of the Canadian sailor now enroute.  with Yves and Kirk, they form a truly remarkable class of sailors.  By all means we should have a place to recognize the accomplishments of these voyagers and their boats. 

actually it would be great if the A-30 web site had a page devoted to this group.  maybe even include a map of the world show each circumnavigator's route.  only a small handful of people ever see the handbook, yet I read recently,over 2 billion people have web access.  Who knows what future achievements a site like this might inspire.

Cheers,
Glenn P.
Dolce 318

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On Oct 21, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net> wrote:

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> Hi John, 
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> My view might be a bit more simplistic. The CBAA Handbook has a few pages dedicated to those who have taken Blue Water Cruises. To my knowledge these entries are not defined nor are they 'checked out' for accuracy or verification. My thought was to expand this concept a bit to list those who have sailed their A-30's around the globe. I didn't think about verifying the truth of the details or including a specific definition of 'circumnavigation'. I would have contacted each one of the skippers for the dates and perhaps the direction they took. I expected to take their word as the truth. 
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> But if in doing so I am actually doing a disservice to those who by some 'universally accepted definition' actually did a 'circumnavigation' then must I rethink the  whole thing? My thought was to memorialize those three skippers who by their own admission sailed their A-30 around the globe by including a separate listing for them in the CBAA Handbook. Future readers of the Handbook while flipping through the pages would see the names of those skippers who sailed that far and think to themselves, Wow these boats must be that seaworthy and how cool is that, what a trip that must have been ..............Besides these skippers have contributed more to the CBAA than having accomplished the trip, they have in several cases contributed significant input toward the routine upgrades all owners apply to their boats to make them safer and even more seaworthy. 
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> Perhaps my proposal of this entry into the CBAA Handbook requires a survey to determine if the idea is worthy and to define exactly how it should be accomplished. I was blindsided by the politics of the proposal. Sorry that I was so naive. How would you suggest I proceed? 
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> Michael #133 
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> From: "John Riley" <jriley at dsbscience.com> 
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 3:43:31 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Circumnavigations 
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> Circumnavigation is indeed an accomplishment, but defining it as such is 
> to a point arbitrary. 
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> Stripped to it's basics, such a trip can be nothing more than a series 
> of shorter blue water voyages strung together.  If a person crosses the 
> Atlantic Ocean 20 times, have they really accomplished less than a 
> circumnavigator? 
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> Technically, a circumnavigation much touch antipodal points.  If a trip 
> crosses all lines of longitude, every ocean, encompasses a "sufficient" 
> number of nautical miles to have gone all the way around, but does not 
> touch diametrically opposite points, it's not the true circle.  Do such 
> skippers accomplish less? 
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> Are you talking about "non-stop" circumnavigators, solo 
> circumnavigators, solo-non-stop, etc?  Do we need special sections to 
> delineate these different "levels" of the accomplishment? 
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> Food for thought... 
> 
> John 
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> On 10/19/2012 01:57 PM, Michael Connolly wrote: 
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>> George, 
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>> I honestly believe that these are pretty special owners/skippers and should have a separate section in our Handbook memorializing their accomplishment. Can you pass this idea onto the Officers of the Association for consideration of this proposal? 
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>> Michael 
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> -- 
> John S. Riley 
> S/V Gaelic Sea 
> 1972 Alberg 30 #521 
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