[Public-List] Newbee Looking for help with rudder parts

Mike Lehman sail_505 at hotmail.com
Tue Dec 17 13:26:27 PST 2013 

Gord

I used to tell customers during my brief career in home 
construction/re-modeling there were 3 choice they had - fast; cheap; or 
quality...they could only choose 2




~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~


-----Original Message----- 
From: Gordon Laco
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:06 PM
To: fongemie at gmail.com ; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Newbee Looking for help with rudder parts

Thanks Jeff -

I think the split ones fit rudders that have large pintles built into them.
Rather than a pin, there is an aperture whose mouth is crossed by a heavy
shaft (the pintle) that is embedded in the rudder on both ends. You have to
use gudgeons that can be opened.

$600 is not bad for custom made fittings taking casting, vibro-polishing,
fine polishing and machining into consideration.

I make self steering vanes, and had a fellow getting hot with me over email
last week over what I have to charge for them.  There are eleven castings in
a vane... He thought I was 'greedy' for asking $4,500 for a complete unit
ready to install.  He thought I should charge $1,500.  I tried to explain
that machining the castings costs more than that....

Sorry this is so long, (as usual...)

Gord




On 17/12/13 3:07 PM, "Jeffrey" <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:

> My brain may not be fully firing today, but what's the advantage to
> the split grugeon over a solid one? Installation?
>
> Gord, I personally don't mind if you interject business into these
> forums. I shouldn't speak for everyone, but I suspect that we all know
> your business, and who you are, to have faith in your opinion.  With
> everything disclosed and in the open, I don't see the conflict being
> different either way.
>
> I think ~$600 seems expensive for a couple of hinges, bronze or not.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
>
> Jeffrey Fongemie
>
> Seagrass
> Alberg 30 #116
> Boothbay Harbor Maine
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Michael Allgaier <mikeallgaier at me.com> 
> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> Any idea if the A30 Rudder/assembly is the same on the Alberg 29, which 
>> as
>> you probably know was designed based on the 30?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Allgaier
>> mikeallgaier at me.com
>> S/V Windsome - Alberg 29
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Glenn <brooks.glenn at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I just called Port Townsend Foundry.  Interestingly they have had 
>>> several
>>> inquiries over the last few days. They think they do have molds for the
>>> split grudgeon for the fiberglass rudders in stock.  However they 
>>> mentioned
>>> supplying two or three A30's in previous years and there may be several
>>> different designs.  I will send them the link to the photo on the a30 
>>> web
>>> site and will advise if this appears the same as the foundry mold.
>>>
>>> A price estimate for the split grudgeon is between $250 and $350 -which
>>> seems reasonable. They also machine the bearing surface to match 
>>> individual
>>> boat measurements from back of the hull to center of the rudder shaft.
>>>
>>> Unless we come up with something cheaper from edson i will most likely 
>>> place
>>> an order in the next week or so.  Others are welcome to join, they say 
>>> the
>>> price will be the same as the casting is mostly a time and materials 
>>> charge.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Glenn Brooks
>>> Dolce 318
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Glenn <brooks.glenn at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can call and ask early next week.  I visited them spring 2012 when I 
>>>> was
>>>> thinking of adding a new stem head fitting.  I am pretty sure they do 
>>>> not
>>>> have A 30 patterns made up, but could take them my pintel to copy. 
>>>> They
>>>> make their own patterns and do good casting work, its just very 
>>>> expensive
>>>> these days to cast in bronze.   Will advise what they quote for price 
>>>> if we
>>>> have 3 or 4 sets  that could be made up in a batch.
>>>>
>>>> Gpb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 15, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Glenn and Woody,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be interested in what the specs are for what Port Townsend 
>>>>> Foundry
>>>>> has made in the past for the Alberg 30.  I heard that what patterns 
>>>>> they
>>>>> have are for the Pacific Seacraft Dana 24 or 26. Someone on this list
>>>>> purchased these parts from Pt. Townsend and had to substantially 
>>>>> modify
>>>>> them to fit his Alberg 30. Because of the initial high cost plus not
>>>>> knowing that they would not easily fit the Alberg 30 he was not a 
>>>>> happy
>>>>> camper.  When you guys are doing your research with Pt. Townsend it 
>>>>> would
>>>>> be good to learn if they have come up with patterns for the Alberg 30
>>>>> specifically.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael #133
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Glenn" <brooks.glenn at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:27:22 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Newbee Looking for help with rudder parts
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Woody,  Did Pt Townsend Foundry quote you a price?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Bill Woodford
>>>>> <williamwoodford at charleswoodford.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am in the market myself.  I have been in contact with Port Townsend
>>>>>> Foundry who advises they have made these parts for the A30 before and 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> able to make the gudgeon and pintle.  The contact info is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter R. Langley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Port Townsend Foundry LLC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 251 Otto St.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Port Townsend WA. 98368
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P. 360 385-6425
>>>>>>
>>>>>> F. 360 385-1947
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Woody
>>>>>>
>>>>>> US 11
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I searched the A30 archives and came across New Found Metals as a
>>>>>> possible
>>>>>> source.  Upon contacting them, they advised they do not make the
>>>>>> gudgeon/pintles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Michael Connolly
>>>>>> <crufone at comcast.net>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> Brad sent me this E-mail and I asked George if I should pass it on. 
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>> said yes so here it is.
>>>>>>> Michael #133
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Bradford Cooke" < brad at bradfordcookelaw.com >
>>>>>>> To: crufone at comcast.net
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:26:50 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Alberg #109
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Michael Connelly,
>>>>>>> I just joined your public list for Alberg 30 owners.  I wonder if my
>>>>>>> situation comes under your rules for publication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/25, my boat's mooring lines broke in a storm.  She wound up on 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> rocks, sustaining damage to the rudder.  Basically, the gudgeons and
>>>>>>> pintles broke.  If hinges is a better term, then the straps to the 
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> snapped. Also, a metal cap (keeping the rudder in place) on the 
>>>>>>> bottom
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the keel was ripped off Do you, or anyone, know where I might get
>>>>>>> replacements, or who could make new ones?  Then there is the process 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> installing them.  Any help you ould give would be greatly 
>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Brad Cooke
>>>>>>> 646-763-0156
>>>>>>>
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