[Public-List] stern squat

Sat Feb 16 07:55:02 PST 2013

Good idea.

On 16/02/13 10:54 AM, "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have seen on some boats where the entire shelf was removed. This is not a
> good idea, since the shelf is a secondary support member. On the newer
> boats, with liners, you can often see an indentation on the outside of the
> hull, at the cove stripe, where the forward lower shroud is attached. This
> was the case with my boat since the shelf was pop riveted by Whitby to the
> fiberglass flange. I loosened the rig, pushed the hull back out, and glassed
> the shelf into place so it would provide the lateral support to the hull.
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Laco
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:46 AM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] stern squat
> 
> I cut it back so that only 1/3 of the length from the fwd bulkhead aft
> remains at full width.  I made a new fiddle edge, and made the part where I
> stopped cutting a sloping angle so as to minimize creation of a head-banging
> corner.  Basically I'm under the full width only from the knees down.  Doing
> the cut made a huge difference in the usability of the bunk.  It was easy to
> do with a jigsaw held up to the work upside down.
> 
> G #426 Surprise
> 
> 
> 
> On 16/02/13 10:39 AM, "Bill Ydel" <wcydel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Gord,
>>  Did you cut the entire shelf back or only at the shoulders? Every time I
>> turn over at night I bump in to that shelf.
>> 
>> Bill
>> SallyB
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org
>> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Laco
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:52 AM
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] stern squat
>> 
>> I sleep feet forward in the starboard fore cabin bunk in SURPRISE.  The
>> level of comfort improved dramatically when I cut the shelf back to the
>> width of the fibre glass tabbing.  There's still enough width on the shelf
>> for me to put my glasses, stand a book or stow a pocket flashlight; but
>> the
>> bunk itself is much more comfortable.  I can also reach the light on the
>> bulkhead to turn it off without getting out of bed.
>> 
>> Only two months till launching day....
>> 
>> Gord #426 SURPRISE
>> 
>> 
>> On 16/02/13 8:55 AM, "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Trish and I sleep in the forward cabin all the time, but we are feet
>> forward
>>> because there is more headroom and elbow room aft. Also in the hot
>>> summer,
>>> sleeping under the forward hatch with a wind scoop attached gives a nice
>>> breeze. We find it quite comfortable. We did a major upgrade to the
>>> cushions, which made a big difference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: j_l_brown
>>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:33 PM
>>> To: gewhite at crosslink.net ; public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] stern squat
>>> 
>>> I lived on my motorbike for almost a year.
>>> I've backpacked in BC extensively as well.
>>> Sleeping downhill is the only thing I don't tolerate especially in my
>> home,
>>> every day.  I'd not fuss if I was only on the boat on the weekend.
>>> 
>>> I sleep in the salon in the winter when alone despite the slightly short
>>> berth.   With two in one berth that is not comfortable(a mostly sleepless
>>> night last night confirmed this fact, 12" each is too narrow).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Head forward with two in the v berth is uncomfortable as well.  Nothing
>>> makes a girl less inclined to spend the night again than waking up by
>>> bashing their head on the shelves or deck as they sit up.  I do at least
>>> once a week when sleeping head first but I have a thicker skull I
>>> suspect.
>>> 
>>> It's something I'd like to correct at least somewhat.
>>> 
>>> Emptying the lazarette has helped a lot, I'll store sails there in
>>> future.
>> I
>>> think some trim ballast would help further, even 100lbs to start.  The
>>> materials and methods to secure it I'm very interested in discussing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: gordon white <gewhite at crosslink.net>
>>> Date:
>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>> Cc: public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] stern squat
>>> 
>>>     I just looked at my boat, Brigadoon II, at my pier. With the water
>>> tank forward empty for the winter, the mattresses and a lot (but not
>>> all) of the other stuff off, including the genny, and the fuel tanks
>>> full, with a 3-cylinder diesel in place of the Atomic 4, yes there is
>>> some slight, maybe as much as twoinches, squat aft.
>>> 
>>>      I tend to think with the genny mounted, the forward mattresses and
>>> other stuff aboard and the water tank pressed full, there is somewhat
>>> less squat. And that under way, the pressure on the mast offsets some of
>>> that.
>>> 
>>>      That being said, I do kind of remember sleeping up front, head
>>> forward, and there being a very slight rise. But it never bothered me.
>>> (I usually sleep in the saloon) But I have slept on deck in July because
>>> it was cooler, though hardly more comfortable. I have slept on the floor
>>> of the St. Louis airport, among other less-desirable places, some of
>>> them while in the Army. I guess I am just less sensitive to the
>>> conditions under which I sleep.
>>> 
>>>   - Gordon White
>>> 
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