[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 2703, Issue 5
rmeyer007 at aol.com
rmeyer007 at aol.com
Mon Nov 25 14:45:00 PST 2013
Yeah Mike.... or "All is Lost" with Robert Redford.... probably should not have let Sandy watch that before our crossing to the Bahamas....... ha.
Ray
-----Original Message-----
From: public-list-request <public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org>
To: public-list <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Sent: Mon, Nov 25, 2013 3:07 pm
Subject: Public-List Digest, Vol 2703, Issue 5
Send Public-List mailing list submissions to
public-list at lists.alberg30.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org
You can reach the person managing the list at
public-list-owner at lists.alberg30.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Public-List digest..."
Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
======================================================
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Liferaft Storage (Mike Lehman)
2. Re: Liferaft Storage (Dominic Amann)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:18:55 -0500
From: Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Liferaft Storage
Message-ID: <BAY170-DS254CD51583F6566137B4F6B7ED0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
'in this day and age anyone anywhere should expect rescue in two days'.
I guess he hasn't read or seen Life of Pi
~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Laco
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 1:48 PM
To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Liferaft Storage
Good day -
My only direct experience with life rafts was when I served as a consultant
on the television show 'Survivorman' in which Les Stroud is sent into
various environments and copes for five days with what one might expect to
have at hand. Sometimes he's been in the desert, sometimes a swamp, the one
I did with him was assuming he'd had to abandon a yacht at sea and live in a
life raft for five days.
The production company made a deal with Switlik for the use of one of their
four person life rafts; but they backed out at the last minute suggesting
that a five day test of a life raft was unrealistic...their representative
said 'in this day and age anyone anywhere should expect rescue in two days'.
I reckon he doesn't read the news nor books much.
We were in a pickle; there we were in Belize about to set Les adrift but
without a raft. I hit upon the idea of renting a raft from a yacht actually
on a voyage; there were several yachts around, I knew people would probably
be glad of the cash and it would add an interesting story point to be using
a 'real' raft in the midst of a voyage.
The first two rafts we tried (and you can guess where this is going) which
had both been stored in on-deck canisters, inflated correctly when the
lanyard was pulled. The first literally fell to pieces before our eyes.
You should have seen the look on the owner's face. The glue had perished
and the raft sank before our eyes as a bunch of sheets of hypalon rubber.
The second raft didn't quite fall to pieces, but it leaked so badly that we
couldn't use it. You should have seen the look on that fellow's face too.
The third raft blew up and...and.... Stayed inflated. However, when we
opened the emergency kit, we found twice the amount of food in the
container, but no water. You should have seen the look on that fellow's
face.
Each of these rafts were by name-brand manufacturers you'd all know. The
first two had been stored in deck canisters and I reckon baking in the sun
is what did them in. The first one was three years past it's repack date,
the second one year past, as was the third.
We gave Les a very old Zodiac inflatable boat reckoning that it was
reasonable to assume a sailor abandoning ship would bring his dink.
Les ended up living during the day in the life raft to get out of the sun,
but he had to work steadily to keep it inflated and also bailed out. It
leaked through it's bottom.
The ancient Zodiac however, performed flawlessly and he slept in it at
night. Which was fine except when it rained in which case he really
suffered.
So what did I come away from that with? Always observe the repack dates.
And with regard to stowage - most certainly on-deck stowage is best with
regard to getting the raft over the side; but beware the effect of the sun
baking your raft while you're sailing. I'd suggest only putting it out on
deck when you're making a passage.
Well there's another long message, I hope it's interesting.
Gord #426 Surprise
On 25/11/13 1:23 PM, "gregr at nethere.com" <gregr at nethere.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm in the process of adding a Viking RescYou 4 person life raft to Ayla.
> What are the good locations to store it?
>
> Aft Lazarette: Fairly easy access. I try to only load the aft compartment
> with light stuff like cushions and fenders. Ayla already squats a bit due
> to the Yanmar 2GM. I'm not sure that another 60lbs would make much of a
> difference but it's going in the wrong direction...
>
> Port Lazarette: Battery 2 in here to have it up higher to protect it. Also
> used for 5 gal water jug and sails. The battery and water help to balance
> the fuel on the Starboard side.
>
> Starboard Lazarette: Original diesel tank. Boat maintenance stuff like
> bucket, boat brush, etc... Try to not had weight to the ~90lbs of fuel.
>
> Cabin top between mast and turtle: Might be tough to launch from here in
> truly lousy conditions. Might further reduce visibility forward.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
> _______________________________________________
> These businesses support your Association:
> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> Please support them.
> _______________________________________________
> Public-List mailing list
> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
_______________________________________________
These businesses support your Association:
http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
Please support them.
_______________________________________________
Public-List mailing list
Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:24:24 -0500
From: Dominic Amann <dominic.amann at gmail.com>
To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Liferaft Storage
Message-ID:
<CAM34Q-NCMSgpiHeG+=Vj7_8nL2A+8F+UQGNGzGZrRhTFa0+MQA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
"Under "normal" circumstances one should expect rescue in two days".
Unfortunately, one almost never deploys a liferaft under normal
circumstances!
The world is become a sadder place when companies hide behind their
lawyers. Especially for the anticipated normal use of the product. It is
revealing that they themselves have a packing list that includes 5 days
supplies.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 'in this day and age anyone anywhere should expect rescue in two days'.
>
> I guess he hasn't read or seen Life of Pi
>
>
>
>
> ~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Laco
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 1:48 PM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Liferaft Storage
>
>
> Good day -
>
> My only direct experience with life rafts was when I served as a consultant
> on the television show 'Survivorman' in which Les Stroud is sent into
> various environments and copes for five days with what one might expect to
> have at hand. Sometimes he's been in the desert, sometimes a swamp, the
> one
> I did with him was assuming he'd had to abandon a yacht at sea and live in
> a
> life raft for five days.
>
> The production company made a deal with Switlik for the use of one of their
> four person life rafts; but they backed out at the last minute suggesting
> that a five day test of a life raft was unrealistic...their representative
> said 'in this day and age anyone anywhere should expect rescue in two
> days'.
>
> I reckon he doesn't read the news nor books much.
>
> We were in a pickle; there we were in Belize about to set Les adrift but
> without a raft. I hit upon the idea of renting a raft from a yacht
> actually
> on a voyage; there were several yachts around, I knew people would probably
> be glad of the cash and it would add an interesting story point to be using
> a 'real' raft in the midst of a voyage.
>
> The first two rafts we tried (and you can guess where this is going) which
> had both been stored in on-deck canisters, inflated correctly when the
> lanyard was pulled. The first literally fell to pieces before our eyes.
> You should have seen the look on the owner's face. The glue had perished
> and the raft sank before our eyes as a bunch of sheets of hypalon rubber.
>
> The second raft didn't quite fall to pieces, but it leaked so badly that we
> couldn't use it. You should have seen the look on that fellow's face too.
>
> The third raft blew up and...and.... Stayed inflated. However, when we
> opened the emergency kit, we found twice the amount of food in the
> container, but no water. You should have seen the look on that fellow's
> face.
>
> Each of these rafts were by name-brand manufacturers you'd all know. The
> first two had been stored in deck canisters and I reckon baking in the sun
> is what did them in. The first one was three years past it's repack date,
> the second one year past, as was the third.
>
> We gave Les a very old Zodiac inflatable boat reckoning that it was
> reasonable to assume a sailor abandoning ship would bring his dink.
>
> Les ended up living during the day in the life raft to get out of the sun,
> but he had to work steadily to keep it inflated and also bailed out. It
> leaked through it's bottom.
>
> The ancient Zodiac however, performed flawlessly and he slept in it at
> night. Which was fine except when it rained in which case he really
> suffered.
>
> So what did I come away from that with? Always observe the repack dates.
> And with regard to stowage - most certainly on-deck stowage is best with
> regard to getting the raft over the side; but beware the effect of the sun
> baking your raft while you're sailing. I'd suggest only putting it out on
> deck when you're making a passage.
>
> Well there's another long message, I hope it's interesting.
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
> On 25/11/13 1:23 PM, "gregr at nethere.com" <gregr at nethere.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I'm in the process of adding a Viking RescYou 4 person life raft to Ayla.
>> What are the good locations to store it?
>>
>> Aft Lazarette: Fairly easy access. I try to only load the aft compartment
>> with light stuff like cushions and fenders. Ayla already squats a bit due
>> to the Yanmar 2GM. I'm not sure that another 60lbs would make much of a
>> difference but it's going in the wrong direction...
>>
>> Port Lazarette: Battery 2 in here to have it up higher to protect it. Also
>> used for 5 gal water jug and sails. The battery and water help to balance
>> the fuel on the Starboard side.
>>
>> Starboard Lazarette: Original diesel tank. Boat maintenance stuff like
>> bucket, boat brush, etc... Try to not had weight to the ~90lbs of fuel.
>>
>> Cabin top between mast and turtle: Might be tough to launch from here in
>> truly lousy conditions. Might further reduce visibility forward.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> These businesses support your Association:
>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>> Please support them.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Public-List mailing list
>> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
>> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> These businesses support your Association:
> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> Please support them.
> _______________________________________________
> Public-List mailing list
> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
> _______________________________________________
> These businesses support your Association:
> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> Please support them.
> _______________________________________________
> Public-List mailing list
> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
>
--
Dominic Amann
M 416-270-4587
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
These businesses support your Association:
http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
Please support them.
_______________________________________________
Public-List mailing list
Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
End of Public-List Digest, Vol 2703, Issue 5
********************************************
More information about the Public-List
mailing list