[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 2703, Issue 5

Mon Nov 25 14:48:16 PST 2013

Shame they nuked three very.preciouse CAL39s. The Cal boys are.kinda upset .....no free tickets either. 

Back to lurking...)

Ch

rmeyer007 at aol.com wrote:
>
>Yeah Mike....   or "All is Lost" with Robert Redford....  probably
>should not have let Sandy watch that before our crossing to the
>Bahamas.......  ha.
>
>Ray
>
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>   1. Re: Liferaft Storage (Mike Lehman)
>   2. Re: Liferaft Storage (Dominic Amann)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:18:55 -0500
>From: Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
>To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
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>Subject: Re: [Public-List] Liferaft Storage
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>'in this day and age anyone anywhere should expect rescue in two days'.
>
>I guess he hasn't read or seen Life of Pi
>
>
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>~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~
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>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Gordon Laco
>Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 1:48 PM
>To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>Subject: Re: [Public-List] Liferaft Storage
>
>Good day -
>
>My only direct experience with life rafts was when I served as a
>consultant
>on the television show 'Survivorman' in which Les Stroud is sent into
>various environments and copes for five days with what one might expect
>to
>have at hand.  Sometimes he's been in the desert, sometimes a swamp,
>the one
>I did with him was assuming he'd had to abandon a yacht at sea and live
>in a
>life raft for five days.
>
>The production company made a deal with Switlik for the use of one of
>their
>four person life rafts; but they backed out at the last minute
>suggesting
>that a five day test of a life raft was unrealistic...their
>representative
>said 'in this day and age anyone anywhere should expect rescue in two
>days'.
>
>I reckon he doesn't read the news nor books much.
>
>We were in a pickle; there we were in Belize about to set Les adrift
>but
>without a raft.  I hit upon the idea of renting a raft from a yacht
>actually
>on a voyage; there were several yachts around, I knew people would
>probably
>be glad of the cash and it would add an interesting story point to be
>using
>a 'real' raft in the midst of a voyage.
>
>The first two rafts we tried (and you can guess where this is going)
>which
>had both been stored in on-deck canisters, inflated correctly when the
>lanyard was pulled.  The first literally fell to pieces before our
>eyes.
>You should have seen the look on the owner's face.  The glue had
>perished
>and the raft sank before our eyes as a bunch of sheets of hypalon
>rubber.
>
>The second raft didn't quite fall to pieces, but it leaked so badly
>that we
>couldn't use it.  You should have seen the look on that fellow's face
>too.
>
>The third raft blew up and...and.... Stayed inflated.  However, when we
>opened the emergency kit, we found twice the amount of food in the
>container, but no water.  You should have seen the look on that
>fellow's
>face.
>
>Each of these rafts were by name-brand manufacturers you'd all know. 
>The
>first two had been stored in deck canisters and I reckon baking in the
>sun
>is what did them in.  The first one was three years past it's repack
>date,
>the second one year past, as was  the third.
>
>We gave Les a very old Zodiac inflatable boat reckoning that it was
>reasonable to assume a sailor abandoning ship would bring his dink.
>
>Les ended up living during the day in the life raft to get out of the
>sun,
>but he had to work steadily to keep it inflated and also bailed out. 
>It
>leaked through it's bottom.
>
>The ancient Zodiac however, performed flawlessly and he slept in it at
>night.  Which was fine except when it rained in which case he really
>suffered.
>
>So what did I come away from that with?  Always observe the repack
>dates.
>And with regard to stowage - most certainly on-deck stowage is best
>with
>regard to getting the raft over the side; but beware the effect of the
>sun
>baking your raft while you're sailing.  I'd suggest only putting it out
>on
>deck when you're making a passage.
>
>Well there's another long message, I hope it's interesting.
>
>Gord #426 Surprise
>
>On 25/11/13 1:23 PM, "gregr at nethere.com" <gregr at nethere.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I'm in the process of adding a Viking RescYou 4 person life raft to
>Ayla.
>> What are the good locations to store it?
>>
>> Aft Lazarette: Fairly easy access. I try to only load the aft
>compartment
>> with light stuff like cushions and fenders. Ayla already squats a bit
>due
>> to the Yanmar 2GM. I'm not sure that another 60lbs would make much of
>a
>> difference but it's going in the wrong direction...
>>
>> Port Lazarette: Battery 2 in here to have it up higher to protect it.
>Also
>> used for 5 gal water jug and sails. The battery and water help to
>balance
>> the fuel on the Starboard side.
>>
>> Starboard Lazarette: Original diesel tank. Boat maintenance stuff
>like
>> bucket, boat brush, etc... Try to not had weight to the ~90lbs of
>fuel.
>>
>> Cabin top between mast and turtle: Might be tough to launch from here
>in
>> truly lousy conditions. Might further reduce visibility forward.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Greg
>>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:24:24 -0500
>From: Dominic Amann <dominic.amann at gmail.com>
>To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>	<public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>Subject: Re: [Public-List] Liferaft Storage
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>"Under "normal" circumstances one should expect rescue in two days".
>
>Unfortunately, one almost never deploys a liferaft under normal
>circumstances!
>
>The world is become a sadder place when companies hide behind their
>lawyers. Especially for the anticipated normal use of the product. It
>is
>revealing that they themselves have a packing list that includes 5 days
>supplies.
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> 'in this day and age anyone anywhere should expect rescue in two
>days'.
>>
>> I guess he hasn't read or seen Life of Pi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Laco
>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 1:48 PM
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Liferaft Storage
>>
>>
>> Good day -
>>
>> My only direct experience with life rafts was when I served as a
>consultant
>> on the television show 'Survivorman' in which Les Stroud is sent into
>> various environments and copes for five days with what one might
>expect to
>> have at hand.  Sometimes he's been in the desert, sometimes a swamp,
>the
>> one
>> I did with him was assuming he'd had to abandon a yacht at sea and
>live in
>> a
>> life raft for five days.
>>
>> The production company made a deal with Switlik for the use of one of
>their
>> four person life rafts; but they backed out at the last minute
>suggesting
>> that a five day test of a life raft was unrealistic...their
>representative
>> said 'in this day and age anyone anywhere should expect rescue in two
>> days'.
>>
>> I reckon he doesn't read the news nor books much.
>>
>> We were in a pickle; there we were in Belize about to set Les adrift
>but
>> without a raft.  I hit upon the idea of renting a raft from a yacht
>> actually
>> on a voyage; there were several yachts around, I knew people would
>probably
>> be glad of the cash and it would add an interesting story point to be
>using
>> a 'real' raft in the midst of a voyage.
>>
>> The first two rafts we tried (and you can guess where this is going)
>which
>> had both been stored in on-deck canisters, inflated correctly when
>the
>> lanyard was pulled.  The first literally fell to pieces before our
>eyes.
>> You should have seen the look on the owner's face.  The glue had
>perished
>> and the raft sank before our eyes as a bunch of sheets of hypalon
>rubber.
>>
>> The second raft didn't quite fall to pieces, but it leaked so badly
>that we
>> couldn't use it.  You should have seen the look on that fellow's face
>too.
>>
>> The third raft blew up and...and.... Stayed inflated.  However, when
>we
>> opened the emergency kit, we found twice the amount of food in the
>> container, but no water.  You should have seen the look on that
>fellow's
>> face.
>>
>> Each of these rafts were by name-brand manufacturers you'd all know. 
>The
>> first two had been stored in deck canisters and I reckon baking in
>the sun
>> is what did them in.  The first one was three years past it's repack
>date,
>> the second one year past, as was  the third.
>>
>> We gave Les a very old Zodiac inflatable boat reckoning that it was
>> reasonable to assume a sailor abandoning ship would bring his dink.
>>
>> Les ended up living during the day in the life raft to get out of the
>sun,
>> but he had to work steadily to keep it inflated and also bailed out. 
>It
>> leaked through it's bottom.
>>
>> The ancient Zodiac however, performed flawlessly and he slept in it
>at
>> night.  Which was fine except when it rained in which case he really
>> suffered.
>>
>> So what did I come away from that with?  Always observe the repack
>dates.
>> And with regard to stowage - most certainly on-deck stowage is best
>with
>> regard to getting the raft over the side; but beware the effect of
>the sun
>> baking your raft while you're sailing.  I'd suggest only putting it
>out on
>> deck when you're making a passage.
>>
>> Well there's another long message, I hope it's interesting.
>>
>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>
>> On 25/11/13 1:23 PM, "gregr at nethere.com" <gregr at nethere.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of adding a Viking RescYou 4 person life raft to
>Ayla.
>>> What are the good locations to store it?
>>>
>>> Aft Lazarette: Fairly easy access. I try to only load the aft
>compartment
>>> with light stuff like cushions and fenders. Ayla already squats a
>bit due
>>> to the Yanmar 2GM. I'm not sure that another 60lbs would make much
>of a
>>> difference but it's going in the wrong direction...
>>>
>>> Port Lazarette: Battery 2 in here to have it up higher to protect
>it. Also
>>> used for 5 gal water jug and sails. The battery and water help to
>balance
>>> the fuel on the Starboard side.
>>>
>>> Starboard Lazarette: Original diesel tank. Boat maintenance stuff
>like
>>> bucket, boat brush, etc... Try to not had weight to the ~90lbs of
>fuel.
>>>
>>> Cabin top between mast and turtle: Might be tough to launch from
>here in
>>> truly lousy conditions. Might further reduce visibility forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> These businesses support your Association:
>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>>> Please support them.
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>>
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