[Public-List] Life lines

Wed Jul 9 06:33:33 PDT 2014

Wes
 Absolutely - an inadequate stair railing is more dangerous than no railing at all.
I sit on the low side and lean on the lifeline to steer upwind, and hook my harness to the base of the stanchion.  I use color-coordinated foam "noodles" to make the cockpit lifelines a bit more comfortable to lean on - they only last 1/2 season but they only cost $1 each.

I expect that if I went overboard holding onto a lifeline, the stanchions would bend but not break.  

Mike

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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:23 AM
To: Gordon Laco; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
Cc: George Dinwiddie
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Life lines

Gentlemen, gentlemen, I know I'll get flamed for this but....these strings around the top of those posts are LIFELINES. They need to offer some level of assurance or they shouldn't be on a sailboat, particularly one as capable as an Alberg.  Would I go offshore, basically alone on deck without a harness, probably not - my wife makes me wear one when I go singlehanded cruising in Round Bay but that's me.  In my racing days EVERY boat I sailed on we used the lifelines to lean on to read the tails from the leeward side, and yes, in alotta cases the spongy cushy things were there, or we'd stand on the top lifeline to adjust the pole or leechline...tell me you've never done this??? I still lean on mine all the time.  Personally, if my lifelines were to the point of the stanchion bases yanking out of the deck if I even looked escance at them, I'd be backing them up with fender washers, more glass or whatever.  Crappy stuff like that belongs on a powerboat or better yet, a Yugo.

Flame on...

On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List < public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> I tell crew members to pretend they're electrified.
>
> On 2014-07-08, at 11:41 PM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List < 
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Better, don't lean on the lifelines.
> >
> > On 7/8/14, 8:53 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List wrote:
> >> And don't forget lifeline covers that increase the diameter
> significantly and make them cushy to lean on.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Glenn Brooks via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I changed my old plastic life lines for spectra lifelines three or
> four years ago, as a test, and have been happy as a clam ever since.  
> There is an interesting and long discussion on the cruising world 
> forum about the high modulus fiber lifelines - basically spectra, 
> dyneema, and or DuX brands.  The international sail racing federation 
> apparently recommends 5mm diameter (10,000# breaking strength) Dyneema 
> or DuX, or equivalent in non coated wire.
> >>>
> >>> One huge advantage, I think, is that one can always pull the 
> >>> lifelines
> off and use as standing or running rigging in an emergency.  So no 
> more lugging around a bunch of nasty, heavy wire coils in the the 
> bilge or wasting prime locker space whilst cruising the seven seas. 
> Some of the local race boats have dropped hundreds of pounds of weight 
> out of their rigging by replacing all wire with this stuff.
> >>>
> >>> Apparently The big concerns are using a proper splice that won't 
> >>> pull
> out, and that the fiber line must be turned around a 5:1 deadeye to 
> retain max breaking strength.  So 5mm line needs 25 mm deadeye -1" 
> eye.  Not a big deal... However, Looping around a pelican hook or 
> other sharp radius reduces the breaking strength in half.  Down to 
> 4,500#.  As that is the working load for lifting three bull moose off 
> the ground, and the standard for pacific racing association life 
> lines, I think I will  be staying with the fiber lines.
> >>>
> >>> Glenn B
> >>> dolce 318
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Bill Newman via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am looking at replacing the lifelines on  No. 233, plastic 
> >>>> covered
> and at least 25 years old.  They seem to be sound excepting a couple 
> of cracks in the plastic and having only been in fresh water.  I have 
> been doing a little internet research and the current fashion seems to 
> be stainless wire without the plastic covering, now required in some 
> races such as the Lake Ontario 300 mile race and also there is a new 
> type of rope which is non stretch, UV resistant and apparently very 
> strong. The wire on boats I have seen is fairly skinny and looks like 
> it would be very uncomfortable to handle.  Any opinions on the subject will be appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Newman
> >>>> Marion Rose III, No. 233
> >>>>
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