[Public-List] Life lines

[John Birch via Public-List]

Stanchion bases are the highest maintenance item on any boat needing to be 
fairly regularly rebedded to prevent water ingress into the deck core.

Next time you re-bed, it's a good thing to replace those bolts with 316SS 
and ensure they pass through backing plates below.

No matter what life line or wire type you use, when wearing a harness always 
clip on to a separate jack line or better, a jack webbing, running each side 
fore and aft on your deck to the cockpit.

And try like h*ll not to fall overboard in the first place.

Remember Chef's immortal comment in Apocalypse Now - "Never get off the 
boat"

J


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wes Gardner via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
To: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>; "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to 
all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Cc: "George Dinwiddie" <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Life lines


> Gentlemen, gentlemen, I know I'll get flamed for this but....these strings
> around the top of those posts are LIFELINES. They need to offer some level
> of assurance or they shouldn't be on a sailboat, particularly one as
> capable as an Alberg.  Would I go offshore, basically alone on deck 
> without
> a harness, probably not - my wife makes me wear one when I go singlehanded
> cruising in Round Bay but that's me.  In my racing days EVERY boat I 
> sailed
> on we used the lifelines to lean on to read the tails from the leeward
> side, and yes, in alotta cases the spongy cushy things were there, or we'd
> stand on the top lifeline to adjust the pole or leechline...tell me you've
> never done this??? I still lean on mine all the time.  Personally, if my
> lifelines were to the point of the stanchion bases yanking out of the deck
> if I even looked escance at them, I'd be backing them up with fender
> washers, more glass or whatever.  Crappy stuff like that belongs on a
> powerboat or better yet, a Yugo.
>
>
> Flame on...
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> I tell crew members to pretend they're electrified.
>>
>> On 2014-07-08, at 11:41 PM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Better, don't lean on the lifelines.
>> >
>> > On 7/8/14, 8:53 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List wrote:
>> >> And don't forget lifeline covers that increase the diameter
>> significantly and make them cushy to lean on.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Glenn Brooks via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I changed my old plastic life lines for spectra lifelines three or
>> four years ago, as a test, and have been happy as a clam ever since. 
>> There
>> is an interesting and long discussion on the cruising world forum about 
>> the
>> high modulus fiber lifelines - basically spectra, dyneema, and or DuX
>> brands.  The international sail racing federation apparently recommends 
>> 5mm
>> diameter (10,000# breaking strength) Dyneema or DuX, or equivalent in non
>> coated wire.
>> >>>
>> >>> One huge advantage, I think, is that one can always pull the 
>> >>> lifelines
>> off and use as standing or running rigging in an emergency.  So no more
>> lugging around a bunch of nasty, heavy wire coils in the the bilge or
>> wasting prime locker space whilst cruising the seven seas. Some of the
>> local race boats have dropped hundreds of pounds of weight out of their
>> rigging by replacing all wire with this stuff.
>> >>>
>> >>> Apparently The big concerns are using a proper splice that won't pull
>> out, and that the fiber line must be turned around a 5:1 deadeye to 
>> retain
>> max breaking strength.  So 5mm line needs 25 mm deadeye -1" eye.  Not a 
>> big
>> deal... However, Looping around a pelican hook or other sharp radius
>> reduces the breaking strength in half.  Down to 4,500#.  As that is the
>> working load for lifting three bull moose off the ground, and the 
>> standard
>> for pacific racing association life lines, I think I will  be staying 
>> with
>> the fiber lines.
>> >>>
>> >>> Glenn B
>> >>> dolce 318
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Bill Newman via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello Everyone,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I am looking at replacing the lifelines on  No. 233, plastic covered
>> and at least 25 years old.  They seem to be sound excepting a couple of
>> cracks in the plastic and having only been in fresh water.  I have been
>> doing a little internet research and the current fashion seems to be
>> stainless wire without the plastic covering, now required in some races
>> such as the Lake Ontario 300 mile race and also there is a new type of 
>> rope
>> which is non stretch, UV resistant and apparently very strong. The wire 
>> on
>> boats I have seen is fairly skinny and looks like it would be very
>> uncomfortable to handle.  Any opinions on the subject will be 
>> appreciated.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bill Newman
>> >>>> Marion Rose III, No. 233
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 



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