[Public-List] Sail manufacturer and composting toilets
Mike Lehman
sail_505 at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 10 10:52:53 PDT 2014
Both my Main and roller furling genoa are from Bacon's - they are nicely
made.
~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~
-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:00 PM
To: Jeff Fongemie ; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Sail manufacturer and composting toilets
Hi All,
Regarding a new main, I just got one built by Bacon here in Annapolis -
loose footed, full length top batten, single reef...sets really nice at
right around $1500
Wes
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll chime in on this too. I've been using a Nature's Head for the last 5
> years. It works great for us (usually just the two of us, sometimes
> more).
> I agree with everything Kris wrote.
>
> -Much less odorous than a traditional holding tank. Believe it or not, the
> "solids" tank has little smell. The liquids tank can get a bit of a
> smell,
> but that's easy to fix by emptying. A single drop of soap will film over
> the top to cut the smell if needed. The liquids tank can be thoroughly
> cleaned easily in a few minutes.
>
> All in all, the problems associated with the composting toilet are much
> easier & less messy to deal with than the potential problems of a
> conventional holding tank.
>
> I think the downside is for large groups. I've not tried it, but I think 5
> people on a multi-day cruise would overwhelm the system, especially if
> they
> are big eaters (if you know what I'm talking about). You could always
> just scoop the solids into a paper bag and toss where legal, but that
> wouldn't be much fun.
>
> Jeff
>
> Seagrass. #116
> Boothbay Harbor, Maine
> http://sailboatseagrass.com/
>
> <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Kris Coward <kris at melon.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't know, I got mine nearly 5 years ago from the manufacturer in
> > Ohio.
> >
> > -K
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 11:41:54PM -0400, Rod Symmes wrote:
> > > Kris; Is Airhead the unit that now has a Canadian dealer or is
> > > that
> > Nature's Head ?
> > >
> > > Cheers, Rod
> > >
> > > ~~~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~
> > > ~~~~~~~_/) _/) ~~~~~~~
> > > ~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 14:17:53 -0400
> > > > From: kris at melon.org
> > > > To: sifuback at yahoo.com; public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Sail manufacturer and composting toilets
> > > >
> > > > Hi Dwayne,
> > > >
> > > > I've got an Airhead on Candy Cane (#583, so a liner boat), which I
> use
> > > > living aboard.
> > > >
> > > > On the good side, it works well, and the output from the solids tank
> is
> > > > decidedly non-disgusting to have to deal with (which I do by just
> > > > putting on some dishwashing gloves, and shoveling the contents into
> > > > a
> > > > compostable kitchen waste bag with a gardening trowel. I have to do
> > this
> > > > about 2-4x each year (closer to 2 in years where I've worked at an
> > > > office, closer to 4 in years where I've worked from home), which I
> see
> > > > as a considerable improvement over having to pump out the holding
> tank
> > > > for the flush toilet.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, I find that I need to empty the liquids tank
> closer
> > > > to weekly (even when I pee off the side of the boat a fair bit), and
> > > > that it can leak/spill if overfilled. I find that I tend to empty
> mine
> > > > the night before, or on the day of, any race I might participate in,
> to
> > > > avoid leaks all over my crew's baggage when we heel over too much.
> > > >
> > > > In terms of space, and usability, it's a bit of a tight fit facing
> > > > forward in the head (I asked Richard and Margaret from Into The Blue
> > > > about their setup and experience before switching over, and they
> > > > suggested a fore/aft orientation so that it would continue to work
> > > > properly at all angles of heel), and the routing of the vent hose is
> a
> > > > bit unlovely, but I find these are relatively minor problems. Also,
> > when
> > > > the solids tank is full, I typically impose a week-long solids
> > > > moratorium, so the most recently added solids have time to compost a
> > bit
> > > > more before removal (and this moratorium often extends a bit as I
> > > > procrastinate on actually emptying the tank), though this probably
> > won't
> > > > come up when you're weekending.
> > > >
> > > > If you don't have a garden to use the compost in, most municipal
> > compost
> > > > systems accept human waste (e.g. diapers), so it's not that hard to
> get
> > > > rid of solids when the time comes. For liquids, I find that the tank
> > has
> > > > enough capacity that pouring it into a shore-based toilet, it causes
> a
> > > > degree of flushing to occur, and the toilet in question often needs
> to
> > > > be flushed twice more before the water looks clear again. There's
> also
> > > > often a bit that drips away while emptying the liquids tank, but
> > > > that
> > > > wipes up easily with a little TP. The old urine kinds stinks too, so
> > > > simply pouring it off the back of the boat is something that can
> > > > only
> > be
> > > > done when there's no one around to recognize the smell and get
> offended
> > > > (and only in marine environments that aren't sensitive to having
> > > > that
> > > > much urine added to them all at once).
> > > >
> > > > Another nice point of the composting head is that it allows the use
> of
> > > > normal toilet paper, and I no longer have to worry that I'll clog
> > > > the
> > > > plumbing if I use more than 5 squares at a time. In fact, with a few
> > > > exceptions, I can even feel reasonably safe letting visitors use it
> > > > (though if the cranking handle is in the wrong position, some of
> > > > them
> > > > can get squeamish about making sure their TP properly goes into the
> > > > solids tank, and drop it in such a way that I have to fish it out
> with
> > a
> > > > bent bicycle spoke (that I keep around specifically for this
> > > > purpose)
> > > > before it migrates over to block the liquids tank.
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow, I wouldn't go back to a flush toilet on the boat (even if
> > > > the
> > > > pickups on my holding tank hadn't corroded into uselessness--I must
> > give
> > > > proper thanks to whoever made a holding tank with aluminum pickups).
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps,
> > > > Kris
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 06:35:16PM -0700, Dwayne Back wrote:
> > > > > Just thought I would seek feedback as to sources for my current
> > issues. I am need of a new main sail and looking for recommendation of
> > manufacturer. I was looking at Peak Sails but then researched online
> > and
> > found all kinds of bad reviews. I am a cruiser who enjoys good
> > performance, so while I do not need racing sails would prefer ones that
> > perform adequately, but price is obviously a consideration. Second
> > issue
> > is an appropriate solution for the head, i currently have none. Mostly
> > a
> > weekender and looking at the composting heads as a solution but would
> like
> > feedback as to other individuals experiences.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Dwayne
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